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Son & wife's attitude issues

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doyafeellucky · 01/03/2020 20:42

Sorry, this has turned into a longer post than intended but even then, I cannot describe all the situations and my frustrations.

Ive always been one to think I can work out problems but Im at my wits ends now. My wife and I both love our adult son who is now in his early 30's. Before our son and now wife were engaged and married, we thought we had made her feel welcome in both our home and family.

At first things seemed good. We have no problem with our son living a full independent life but, a number of things have hurt me. Im growing tired of the disregard being displayed by our son towards us and I feel we are being made into second choices. I dont expect our son to put us on a pedestal but think he and his wife should be sharing occasions more between the families rather than seeming to prioritise the others.

Prior to their marriage, I was shocked when we were told his future mother in law was organising a birthday bash for our son and would we like to come along? It was almost an after thought but hindsight suggests it was a hint of what was to come.

As most parents do nowadays, Bank of Mum & Dad, both us and our son's future mother in law helped them buy their first home. I didnt know at the time but her mother and partner were invited to house welcoming meal. We got no such invite which I find upsetting to say the least.

With initial income being tight, we asked if they'd like to come for tea, nothing special, once a month and they agreed. Everything was fine for the first 5 or 6 months. After one meal where my wife had spent time preparing, our son's fiancee decided she wanted to leave straight after the meal. I suggested my wife wanted some time to talk with them as she'd been preparing the meal and just upping and leaving was a bit unfair on her. Apparently that didnt bode well.

Later, we learnt my son's then fiancee started saying we were 'too formal,' whatever that means. Next our son says his fiancee didnt like coming to our home which meant they started visiting us less. When they visit together, they are always on their way out somewhere else or are coming back so they cannot stay long.

I have noticed she is always looking for an excuse to leave as soon as she arrives no matter how much effort we make to talk. She's more interested in her phone and What's App. But I come in useful at times for her being asked to take her to the nearest railway station from time to time.

Now, the last couple of times they have popped around, she has started staying outside in the car, again, meaning we dont get to see our son for long.

The actual wedding was something else, Our family was made to feel like it was there to make up the numbers. Unknown to us at the time, numerous official pictures of the bride and groom with all her family were taken. Despite members of our extended family being present we got 2 official pictures of my wife, our other son and myself with them. Even then, we were an after thought at seeing and being able to order the official pictures and given just 1 week before orders were no longer being taken. That hurt me enormously, goodness knows how my wife felt.

I later found out that during the evening reception when my wife welcomed our daughter in law into the family, she said our family name was 'sh*t' and she didnt intend using it although she does do so in all letters etc. I would probably have made a scene if my wife had told me this at the time.

It's the same at special occasions. 2 out of the last 3 Christmases, we have had to decamp to her mother's home because 'she always spends Christmas at her mother's and couldnt give a sh*t whether her now husband is with her or not.' Those are her words. We invited her family to ours in return for the first Christmas and would be happy to do so again but their plans are already made etc, etc so sorry we cannot make it.

Both my wife's and my birthday are near Christmas. Im not too bothered about celebrating my birthdays anymore. My wife and I had discussed it and decided to mark her birthday with some informal pub grub. But my son then says his wife doesnt like 'pub grub' which is strange because the last Christmas meal was at a pub! So we ended up having a restaurant meal which was nearer my birthday and not my wife's as I wanted.

The last straw is son and wife came around on Saturday to say they are going out with her mother for Mother's Day and would we like them to visit us 'on the way there or on the way back.'

If these events were being held at my son and his wife's home, Id have no problem with this but every special occasion has to be at her mother's home, venue of choice or involvement. We dont even get the opportunity to ask would you like to go out for Mother's Day, anniversay etc.

I find myself hoping my son and wife do not have any children, I am convinced we would never see them while they'll spend all the time at her mother's.

Im at the point now where I consider I need to make my feelings clear to our son. If he wants to consider us as second choice parents, Im not inclined to make him first choice inheritance.

My wife seems prepared to put up with this while Im not as I think it's only going to get worse and we continue to be pushed aside. I really dont know how to broach the subject with my son. I find it hard to believe he doesnt see what is happening here because there are lots of other things going on that I havent covered.

Basically, how should I approach this? Thank you for reading and any input.

OP posts:
Quicklittlenamechange · 03/03/2020 18:32

Also
Because Im a Feminist and I see this as one of the issues that affects women that Im interested in.

Wifework and facilitation of my husbands relationships was not something I have ever seen as my role.
Luckily I didnt marry a man with stunted emotions or a sense of entitlement.

tenredthings · 03/03/2020 18:50

I think for the sake of future peace and harmony you need to lower your expectations. Be happy that your son is happy. Let go of your ideals and appreciate what is. Stop competing and comparing with her family.

springydaff · 03/03/2020 19:14

Its usually PIL who are behaving really badly to the DiL

Why would you say that? Are older people somehow innately bad so it has to be their fault, the younger generation generally innocent?

No, it's just as likely to be the younger person as the older person. The clue is they're all people. You get good and bad people (and many shades in between), regardless of age. It has nothing to do with age, why would you think it does?

WaterOffADucksCrack · 03/03/2020 19:18

women just put themselves first do they? No, more often than not they do most the cooking and cleaning for their husbands, wash his dirty pants, put up with his porn habit, agree to sex acts that please him and sacrifice their own orgasm to protect his fragile ego that is possibly the biggest projection I've ever seen! Whoever wrote this, your life doesn't have to be like that.

Alsohuman · 03/03/2020 19:19

Yup, always Pils’ fault. Cop a load of this.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3838264-AIBU-to-impose-these-restrictions-on-my-MIL

Isthisit22 · 03/03/2020 19:33

@alsohuman it's not about 'fault'. It's simply grown ups living their lives.

If their son wanted to visit more often or arrange meals etc then he could. He has chosen not to. The OP can either try to organise more or speak to his son calmly about why this is.
If he gets angry or blame is attributed then it is likely they will see even less of their son.

springydaff · 03/03/2020 19:34

Eh??? That is surely a windup to link that.

Yy this MIL is a nightmare. I assure you I know of MANY nightmare DsIL too.

It has nothing to do with age. You get shitty people anywhere and everywhere, regardless of age.

Quicklittlenamechange · 03/03/2020 19:39

Its usually PIL who are behaving really badly to the DiL and the DH does nothing

You missed a bit -the bit that pointed the finger at the DH .
The PIL have unrealistic expectations of their DIL and strangely none of their son , their own flesh and blood !

Alsohuman · 03/03/2020 19:41

Read it @springydaffs, it’s not the Mil who’s a nightmare on that thread. Most of the posters haven’t pulled their punches either. It makes a refreshing change.

Quicklittlenamechange · 03/03/2020 19:43

The older generation tend to have different ideas about what the DIL will do and what their role will be , the DIL puts in boundaries that are unacceptable to a generation of women who probably had to do as they were told and they dont understand it and the DIL gets the blame.

Alsohuman · 03/03/2020 19:46

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Quicklittlenamechange · 03/03/2020 19:54

You are assuming my age here Also
Im the generation that fought for change .

Quicklittlenamechange · 03/03/2020 19:57

As its now descended into verbal abuse I will toddle off.
I think I can see why your DIL doesnt like you Also
Bit of an own goal there 😂

HelgaHere1 · 03/03/2020 20:08

DGC usually follow at some point.
Should it be assumed that as ILs didn't get on with D/S in-law, whoever's fault it is, that they then have no access to their DGCs.

Alsohuman · 03/03/2020 20:09

Which dil? I haven’t got one!

ferntwist · 03/03/2020 20:11

Your DIL sounds extremely immature and selfish. Your son is weak not to stand up to her. His family should be as important as hers. It’s not reasonable for all special occasions to be at her mother’s house by default. She needs to grow up.

Paintedmaypole · 03/03/2020 20:24

quicklittlenamechange I think that if someone posted on here that their husband sat outside their parents house in the car when they visited, insisted their in laws were visited for all "special" days etc the husband would come in for plenty of criticism on here (with a few "he is isolating you, this is the start of abuse etc thrown in). I get your point re wifework but hostility to in laws is a different thing. Your assertion that the ILs are invariably at fault is naive and immature. Feminism doesn't involve actively being an arse to your in laws . Sometimes there is such a focus on not falling into traditional roles on here that unkindness to family members is promoted. saucy too true, wrong forum! Emptypurse and springdaffs have given great advice if OP is still reading.

saraclara · 03/03/2020 20:28

I think that if someone posted on here that their husband sat outside their parents house in the car when they visited, insisted their in laws were visited for all "special" days etc the husband would come in for plenty of criticism on here (with a few "he is isolating you, this is the start of abuse etc thrown in)

That's absolutely true. And if the wife's parents posted here they'd get a lot more in the way of understanding too, rather than people assuming they'd done something to deserve it.

The MN double standard is very blatant sometimes.

springydaff · 03/03/2020 20:36

What's with 'the son is weak'?

Is a woman under the influence of coercive control also 'weak'?

No, we have compassion and understanding for the woman. But not the man in the same position it seems.

Less of the sexism that assumes men are big and strong please.

Zhuleva · 03/03/2020 20:49

Reading this, it could be my late dad talking. Almost the exact same thing happened in our family. My brother married someone who sounds exactly like your DIL, who was distant, then vile to everyone in our family ever since they met. My mum and dad were genuinely lovely, tried to welcome her etc etc, but she was horrible to them, withholding grandchildren etc. It devastated them.

Your DIL is trying to separate your son from you. Just based on what you've written and my own experience, she's controlling. So many other married women I know disparage there in-laws all the time - I've no idea why. And before you all pile on, you know you do it.

And they do it for the tiniest little reasons. I think they see it the 'other family' a threat, but it's pathetic. Has your son lost friends since they got together? That's usually another part of it.

Ignore the others on here that are having a go at you - you deserve basic decency at least.

Don't try to control the situation, as you'll never win against her, and she knows it. Your son has married a horror show. All you can hope is that they split up before they have kids. Good luck

Paintedmaypole · 03/03/2020 21:04

springy there is sometimes a strange distorted brand of feminism on here. Regarding the linked thread, read it through, it makes a refreshing change. saraclara I do agree with you but also there is sometimes an ageist stereotyping on MN that means anyone over 65, regardless of the gender of their children, is a narrow minded drain on other family members. It seems to come from a distortion of feminist perspective ( they may make demands which are unfair to women). Difficult personalities exist in every generation and it isn 't always easy to tell where problems start. Sometimes it is circular too and people rub each other up the wrong way.. It is good to see a range of perspectives here, sometimes on MN only women between 25 and 50 are in the right. (unless they area second wife or become a MIL early).

slinkysaluki · 03/03/2020 21:22

The DGC thing is correct, that followed when they decided to go no contact, my parents after two years now have to be grateful for rare Skype contact with their grandchildren at my brother and SIL convenience

SuburbanFraggle · 03/03/2020 21:41

Op has abandoned the thread?

springydaff · 03/03/2020 21:50

Can you blame him for abandoning the thread!