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Son & wife's attitude issues

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doyafeellucky · 01/03/2020 20:42

Sorry, this has turned into a longer post than intended but even then, I cannot describe all the situations and my frustrations.

Ive always been one to think I can work out problems but Im at my wits ends now. My wife and I both love our adult son who is now in his early 30's. Before our son and now wife were engaged and married, we thought we had made her feel welcome in both our home and family.

At first things seemed good. We have no problem with our son living a full independent life but, a number of things have hurt me. Im growing tired of the disregard being displayed by our son towards us and I feel we are being made into second choices. I dont expect our son to put us on a pedestal but think he and his wife should be sharing occasions more between the families rather than seeming to prioritise the others.

Prior to their marriage, I was shocked when we were told his future mother in law was organising a birthday bash for our son and would we like to come along? It was almost an after thought but hindsight suggests it was a hint of what was to come.

As most parents do nowadays, Bank of Mum & Dad, both us and our son's future mother in law helped them buy their first home. I didnt know at the time but her mother and partner were invited to house welcoming meal. We got no such invite which I find upsetting to say the least.

With initial income being tight, we asked if they'd like to come for tea, nothing special, once a month and they agreed. Everything was fine for the first 5 or 6 months. After one meal where my wife had spent time preparing, our son's fiancee decided she wanted to leave straight after the meal. I suggested my wife wanted some time to talk with them as she'd been preparing the meal and just upping and leaving was a bit unfair on her. Apparently that didnt bode well.

Later, we learnt my son's then fiancee started saying we were 'too formal,' whatever that means. Next our son says his fiancee didnt like coming to our home which meant they started visiting us less. When they visit together, they are always on their way out somewhere else or are coming back so they cannot stay long.

I have noticed she is always looking for an excuse to leave as soon as she arrives no matter how much effort we make to talk. She's more interested in her phone and What's App. But I come in useful at times for her being asked to take her to the nearest railway station from time to time.

Now, the last couple of times they have popped around, she has started staying outside in the car, again, meaning we dont get to see our son for long.

The actual wedding was something else, Our family was made to feel like it was there to make up the numbers. Unknown to us at the time, numerous official pictures of the bride and groom with all her family were taken. Despite members of our extended family being present we got 2 official pictures of my wife, our other son and myself with them. Even then, we were an after thought at seeing and being able to order the official pictures and given just 1 week before orders were no longer being taken. That hurt me enormously, goodness knows how my wife felt.

I later found out that during the evening reception when my wife welcomed our daughter in law into the family, she said our family name was 'sh*t' and she didnt intend using it although she does do so in all letters etc. I would probably have made a scene if my wife had told me this at the time.

It's the same at special occasions. 2 out of the last 3 Christmases, we have had to decamp to her mother's home because 'she always spends Christmas at her mother's and couldnt give a sh*t whether her now husband is with her or not.' Those are her words. We invited her family to ours in return for the first Christmas and would be happy to do so again but their plans are already made etc, etc so sorry we cannot make it.

Both my wife's and my birthday are near Christmas. Im not too bothered about celebrating my birthdays anymore. My wife and I had discussed it and decided to mark her birthday with some informal pub grub. But my son then says his wife doesnt like 'pub grub' which is strange because the last Christmas meal was at a pub! So we ended up having a restaurant meal which was nearer my birthday and not my wife's as I wanted.

The last straw is son and wife came around on Saturday to say they are going out with her mother for Mother's Day and would we like them to visit us 'on the way there or on the way back.'

If these events were being held at my son and his wife's home, Id have no problem with this but every special occasion has to be at her mother's home, venue of choice or involvement. We dont even get the opportunity to ask would you like to go out for Mother's Day, anniversay etc.

I find myself hoping my son and wife do not have any children, I am convinced we would never see them while they'll spend all the time at her mother's.

Im at the point now where I consider I need to make my feelings clear to our son. If he wants to consider us as second choice parents, Im not inclined to make him first choice inheritance.

My wife seems prepared to put up with this while Im not as I think it's only going to get worse and we continue to be pushed aside. I really dont know how to broach the subject with my son. I find it hard to believe he doesnt see what is happening here because there are lots of other things going on that I havent covered.

Basically, how should I approach this? Thank you for reading and any input.

OP posts:
Luckystar20 · 01/03/2020 21:18

You posted about this situation before, in you're previous posts you came across as over bearing and suffocating.

Disfordarkchocolate · 01/03/2020 21:19

To be honest, you don't sound welcoming to me. That may be because you are writing it looking back and that's coloured your tone but it how you come across.

I think you need to reflect on how you welcomed your DIL, could she have been made to feel uncomfortable or not good enough because you are more formal than her family? If so it could be you came across as judgemental. It could also be that your son prefers the way his wife's family socialise to your way?

Either way, if you want to move on apologise for your input into the situation and look for common ground to move forward. I'd start with your son. Even if he prefers his new in-law's ways he can't want this tension.

bugbhaer · 01/03/2020 21:19

When I say take a lighter touch, just think the opposite of disinheriting him.

AnneLovesGilbert · 01/03/2020 21:20

Do you think blackmail is going to improve the situation?

puds11 · 01/03/2020 21:20

I think you may have to consider the possibility that the relationship you have with your son isn’t as strong as you thought. If I told my husband I didn’t want to see his parents, he would go without me. As it happens, I don’t have a good relationship with my parents so we spend most celebrations/birthdays etc with his parents.

chatterbugmegastar · 01/03/2020 21:20

Im the first one to be asked to take her to the train station or other places.

She is happy for you to have a particular role but doesn't feel happy or comfortable in your home

So change is required

If no one changes - there will be no change to the situation

SisterAgatha · 01/03/2020 21:21

I don’t think you sound UR, I have done more to integrate with my IL’s and found it always rejected and I still don’t wait in the car Confused. Visiting once a month is not much at all.

As others have said though, an ultimatum is not the way to go. You’ll lose what little contact you do have.

Weebitawks · 01/03/2020 21:21

How much time did you spend with your son prior to him meeting his wife and how close were you?

What I mean is, some families are just naturally very close, which it sounds like your DIL is with her mother. It sounds like she would generally just be at her mother's house whereas it wasn't so natural with your son ie trying to schedule when they come for dinner.

And also, without sounding harsh, if you are the sort of person whose willing to throw up inheritance to get your way and wish your son doesn't have children because of how it makes you feel, perhaps those are the sentiments that your DIL picks up on?

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Molly2017 · 01/03/2020 21:22

Another one saying a confrontation will not help the situation.
Is this your only child? I ask as you seem quite involved in his life (more so then if you had numerous children).
I must admit I find my in laws hard work, but as a result I encourage my husband to see them more often by himself or take our children. They live close so we see them once a week.
Are you close? Sounds like it’s easier to combine visits with her parents, rather then travelling to yours alone.
What I would do in this position is text/message your son regularly. Agree with the people saying keep it light hearted, but maintain communication. You don’t want to put him in an ultimatum / her or us position, because chances are you will lose.
I’d also not mention the inheritance because that feels a bit like blackmail and they might not care.

Darbs76 · 01/03/2020 21:22

This is a tricky situation and most likely much more common that you think. I think as someone touched on it’s common for women to make more effort to see their family so perhaps your DIL sorts things out and your son doesn’t. What I’d do is next time your son comes alone (or invite him over) I’d just tell him that you feel hurt that you’re being excluded from their lives and would like to see more of them. Don’t mention inheritances or who is to blame, but just say how upsetting you find it. Good luck. You need to be really careful that this doesn’t turn into a big family row, as you could lose them forever and no-one wants that, inheritance or no inheritance.

bugbhaer · 01/03/2020 21:25

DP used to go to his parent’s for Sunday dinner most Sundays. When we got together they included me. I was grateful to be included, but found it all a bit stiff and time consuming and old fashioned.

Nowadays, we spend Sundays doing our own thing as a couple, and DP goes round on a Sunday evening about once every month or so.

Molly2017 · 01/03/2020 21:25

I’ve seen from your update you have another son.
So what I would do is say to him that you’d rather not see them for a drop in but would rather an actual visit e.g. for Mother’s Day and ask to arrange an alternative date. Yes they may see her mum on the actual day, but by compromising you’ll hopefully get quality time with him to celebrate instead.
Oh and I’d really try and gently discourage her from sitting in the car outside, because like you say, that puts a downer on the whole visit.

maddy68 · 01/03/2020 21:27

Honestly you found like hard work. You DO sound very formal. She is obviously close to her mum and so clearly is your son. You do not get to dictate their time. I'm not saying that it's all your fault but you certainly aren't enabling an easy relationship.
The hard facts are that they prefer to spend time with her parents as they are more relaxed and easy to be with that doesn't mean that your son doesn't love you and want to spend time with you.

Ameliabrowner · 01/03/2020 21:28

@puds11
I think you nipped it in the bud there. Great point!
“I think you may have to consider the possibility that the relationship you have with your son isn’t as strong as you thought. If I told my husband I didn’t want to see his parents, he would go without me. “

I think a lot of ils are delusional and blame the sil when in reality they can’t grasp the fact that their relationship with their son is not actually that strong (as you have excellently put above!!)

bugbhaer · 01/03/2020 21:28

I’d just tell him that you feel hurt that you’re being excluded from their lives and would like to see more of them.

I wouldn’t state that you have been excluded, or even that you feel excluded.

Ponoka7 · 01/03/2020 21:29

As asked what was your relationship like before she came along?

How were things when they were dating?

chatterbugmegastar · 01/03/2020 21:29

The last straw is son and wife came around on Saturday to say they are going out with her mother for Mother's Day and would we like them to visit us 'on the way there or on the way back

It is hurtful - but , I say again, DIL rules here and picking a fight or a confrontation , isn't going to help

If I were you I'd chat to your son and ask him how you and your wife can change to encourage HIS wife to want to visit you more often and to stay longer when she does visit

Be vulnerable, open and willing to make real change - be loving and follow through on the changes which are needed to make DIL happy

I truly see no other option to ensure the outcome that YOU ultimately want

Play the game and you will win

Molly2017 · 01/03/2020 21:30

@Ameliabrowner I agree.
My DH will go roughly once a week sometimes with me but mostly without. I find them hard work and MiL in particular has a sharp tongue.
Regardless, he’s happy to go alone and I genuinely encourage that.

nickname302 · 01/03/2020 21:30

How do your two sons get on? Maybe his brother could be the key to creating a more relaxed atmosphere. I can see how it might be a bit intense for her if it's just the four of you.

NotStayingIn · 01/03/2020 21:31

Have you had a conversion with your son? Apologies if you have and I missed that. I think that’s really the first step; to tell him you and your wife would love to see a bit more of him and feel slightly sidelined.

If he then continues to do it I am not sure there is much you can do. You can’t make someone want to spend time with you. I do really feel for you, it’s a horrible position to be in.

Livelovebehappy · 01/03/2020 21:31

You need to focus on your son and just let her get on with what she wants to do. Unfortunately things aren’t going to improve. She’s decided she doesn’t really want to see you, so just invite your ds after work maybe once a week for tea. Unfortunately for you your Dil sounds like she may turn out to be the Dil from Hell, and the situation will only get worse once dgc arrives. Your relationship with your ds is more important now, so you need to focus on that.

doyafeellucky · 01/03/2020 21:33

@onemorewineplease Thank you for your comment. It's difficult explaining all the circumstances. Honestly, wife and I are two of the most laid back people you could meet. even one of my brothers says Im too laid back. He laughed when I told him son's wife said we were too 'formal.'

Also despite what people think, we want a good relationship with her. I call her my favourite DIL to which she says she's the only one. We cant win.

We get on well with her mother and partner, there's no issue there.

@Freddiefox Thanks for the comment. Yes, I know I'll have to talk to him and cannot say Im looking forward to that conversation for obvious reasons

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ItIsWhatItIsInnit · 01/03/2020 21:33

You do sound very bothered by it all. They're adults with their own lives and don't owe you their time. I'm not really a family-oriented person and could happily go months/years without seeing my parents. My husband is closer with his family, so sees his once every 1-2 months. When it's too much for me, like twice in the same month, I just stay at home and they're fine with it!

Not all kids want to be tied to their parents apron strings in their 20s. I certainly don't. My parents don't get upset that I see my in-laws more than them - my husband just sees his family more, and there are more of them so more birthdays.

And "most" parents don't fund house deposits, how ridiculous. We saved up for ours entirely ourselves, for 4 years.

Keeva2017 · 01/03/2020 21:33

You come across in your writing as a little hostile and very formal. It’s fine to draw a line and be firm in your belief that the problems are completely not of your making. But if you’re wrong and they are, your unwillingness for self reflection will mean nothing changes.