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Not AIBU but what 'adult' thing have you never done?

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Pringlesonthetable · 23/02/2020 20:19

What 'adult' thing have you never done?

I have reached the grand old age of 53 and have never booked a holiday abroad. I wouldn't even know where to start! and I fancy a holiday but don't know how to do it Holidays have always been in the UK, camping when the DC were young and caravanning for the last 12 years. My last foreign trip was when I was 19 and DM booked it. I just had to give her the money for it.

OP posts:
IronShame · 25/02/2020 12:57

I totally understand, but I'm not exactly doing that

Yes you are. All your necessities are funded by someone else. Therefore allowing you to hoard your own money and spend it on you. Of course you're living out of the pockets of others. They are the ones allowing you to have so much spare cash.

And I really don't agree with this whole 'well they offered so why not'.

Do you not want to feel any pride at all at paving your own way in life? Actually owning a house yourself? Not being funded by dad forever?

IronShame · 25/02/2020 12:58

Who's paying for your prescription? Surely you're not going to spend any of your own money?

MrsToothyBitch · 25/02/2020 12:59

Hosted a proper dinner party.
Cooked a roast dinner.
I'm 29.

IronShame · 25/02/2020 12:59

I'd personally begin resenting my husband pretty swiftly if he felt it was fine to let me pay for everything whilst I saved up my money to go travelling with. There's being instinctively selfish and then there's this...

SisterAgatha · 25/02/2020 13:01

I understand where you are coming from because I have been in a similar position and when I was younger I thought it was great! It’s only now that I’m older and don’t own a thing because everything is in someone else’s name, that I am beginning to get afraid. So much is pinned on your fiancé not leaving you. Your father not becoming ill or anything else. Your brothers may have told you the same - I am from a cultural community where this is entirely normal, the men provide, the women have their own money for high days and holidays, until you have kids and then you will be a SAHM with an allowance. It all seems so nice until someone can’t earn the money for you anymore. Where will your brothers be then? Earning for their own wives and asking why you spent their inheritance.

eenymeenyminyme · 25/02/2020 13:08

ArtemisOfOrtygia two things strike me about your posts

  1. You come across as very smug, which is why you're getting a roasting on here. I wouldn't want to be in your position, I value my independence too much, but there will be jealousy that you were given the opportunity to be in this position to begin with.
  1. I hope that you're prepared for the inevitable day when reality slaps you in the face and you have to provide for yourself.
lazylinguist · 25/02/2020 13:11

Smoked a cigarette
Taken illegal drugs
Mowed a lawn
Cooked Christmas Dinner
Changed a tyre
(I'm 48)

SisterAgatha · 25/02/2020 13:16

If anyone has seen the Godfather, the gradual move of Connie from care free petted younger sister and daughter, to bitter and dependant older woman, is a stark lesson not to take money from family! Sad

ArtemisOfOrtygia · 25/02/2020 15:10

Also Artemis why have you never voted?
Because there aren't any parties that I support, and politicians don't do what they say they want to do anyway. Rather than waste my time with going somewhere to vote, I go have a nice coffee instead.

So when you move in together will you pool your money?
If pooling means what I think it does, yeah.

I'll try to simplify a bit. Usually if people pick a character to represent them, it's because that character embodies the qualities they themselves like to believe they share.
Well, Artemis is my real name so that's how my username represents me. I'll let my parents know it's inappropriate Grin

Artemis was a hugely important goddess. She inspired awe and worship. She protected and nurtured others, rather than being protected herself; she was strong and powerful; and she was fiercely protective of her own chastity and purity.
I know.

I must go now but HTH and hope you recover quickly from your awful illness. flowers flowers sad flowers sad
Thank you. It's not an awful illness, though. Just a bad cold that I don't want to spread around at work.

You are, because the other things you can afford are because you don’t pay bills.
But that's not the definition of "taking advantage" as far as I know.

You may not see those things as bought by him, but you can only afford them because of him.
I never said I didn't see it as if my dad pays for everything (along with my fiancé). I very much do look at it like that, actually. But I just don't see it as a bad thing.

I really hope your siblings are equally subsidised
Of course. My dad doesn't pay for them anymore (because they don't want the help), but he has helped them, too, when they have accepted being helped.

For your own peace of mind and dignity, id start to pull back on this.
I'm not going to, but thanks for the advice.

Would vou have much reapect for your fiance if he accepted that you paid for everything, Artemis?
If I was willing and happy to do it and offered him this kind of arrangement myself, yes.

Yes you are. All your necessities are funded by someone else. Therefore allowing you to hoard your own money and spend it on you.
That's correct, yes.

Of course you're living out of the pockets of others. They are the ones allowing you to have so much spare cash.
Sure. I still don't see why that's a bad thing..

And I really don't agree with this whole 'well they offered so why not'.
That's fine, you don't have to agree with it when it comes to yourself. But I do.

Do you not want to feel any pride at all at paving your own way in life?
I am doing that in many ways. No one graduated for me, no one is doing my job for me, no one is pursuing my ambitions for me. I get supported so that I don't have to struggle unnecessarily, I don't see why that's such a bad thing.

Actually owning a house yourself? Not being funded by dad forever?
I could buy a house now if I wanted to. I don't want that sort of commitment at the moment, but in the future, sure.

Who's paying for your prescription? Surely you're not going to spend any of your own money?
lol I do spend my own money, just not on bills. I did pay for my own medication, don't worry Grin

I'd personally begin resenting my husband pretty swiftly if he felt it was fine to let me pay for everything whilst I saved up my money to go travelling with. There's being instinctively selfish and then there's this...
So don't offer to him to pay all of your bills. Then he most likely won't let you pay for everything, right?

I understand where you are coming from because I have been in a similar position and when I was younger I thought it was great! It’s only now that I’m older and don’t own a thing because everything is in someone else’s name, that I am beginning to get afraid.
I totally understand that. But I'm not afraid, because I can buy my own house should I want or need to. And I have a very strong family unit to fall back on, I don't ever have to feel like I have to struggle by myself. I realise not everyone has that, but I wish they did. I'm sure many people wish they could rely on their family in times of need.

So much is pinned on your fiancé not leaving you.
Not really. It's not like I'm going to sleep under a bridge if he decides to leave me or kick me out. I wouldn't put myself in such a vulnerable position.

Your father not becoming ill or anything else.
Not really. My parents are financially set for life, as are me and my siblings pretty much.

Your brothers may have told you the same - I am from a cultural community where this is entirely normal, the men provide, the women have their own money for high days and holidays, until you have kids and then you will be a SAHM with an allowance.
Yes, it's common in my culture for men to be providers. That's why it's not a foreign thing for me that my dad and my fiancé take care of me. But I don't intend on being a SAH anything. In my country you get a salary while you're on maternity leave, so even then I would have an income.

It all seems so nice until someone can’t earn the money for you anymore. Where will your brothers be then? Earning for their own wives and asking why you spent their inheritance.
I have never asked my brother to spend their money on me, and I don't expect them to, either. I don't exactly fit the bill of the typical reliant-on-a-man woman. I'm not reliant on anybody. Should my dad and fiancé decide to stop what they are doing, it's not like I will end up on the street without a penny to my name. I do have a job and I have saved money for years. I could pay my own ways if I had to. But that's the thing, I don't have to.

*ArtemisOfOrtygia two things strike me about your posts

  1. You come across as very smug, which is why you're getting a roasting on here. I wouldn't want to be in your position, I value my independence too much, but there will be jealousy that you were given the opportunity to be in this position to begin with.*
I'm sorry to hear I come off as smug, but I'm not trying to. I think I'm being very calm and upfront about my situation, that's all. I don't mind getting a roasting, I enjoy talking to people and it's always interesting to hear other perspectives. I don't necessarily take them on board but that's another matter. And it's fine that you wouldn't want to be in my shoes, I most likely wouldn't want to be in your's, either Grin I'm not sure what kind of independence you think you have and I don't, but it'd be interesting to know.

2. I hope that you're prepared for the inevitable day when reality slaps you in the face and you have to provide for yourself.
I'm always prepared for the worst. I'm not a very huge risk taker, which is why you are not going to see me become a trophy wife or SAHM. I don't want to put myself in a position where I'll be left with nothing if I suddenly stop having the privileges that I have now. As it is now, I'm building my career, earning and saving money all while being taken care of. If the taken care of part becomes no longer part of the equation, I will still have my career, earnings and saved money.

If anyone has seen the Godfather, the gradual move of Connie from care free petted younger sister and daughter, to bitter and dependant older woman, is a stark lesson not to take money from family! sad
I have not seen Godfather.

ArtemisOfOrtygia · 25/02/2020 15:18

Anyway, I don't want to be the topic of discussion, I'm sure the OP doesn't, either Grin I think we can just agree that we all have different views and opinions.

Soapytoad · 25/02/2020 15:30

Got a divorce! I’m biding my time until the kids leave home though.

Lippy1234 · 25/02/2020 16:18

Soapytoad don’t wait, my parents waited and it was really hard on my DB and I. I had all sorts of guilt that they’d only stayed together because of me.

Lippy1234 · 25/02/2020 16:20

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lazylinguist · 25/02/2020 16:32

People may not like Artemis' attitude, but tbf if she has a decent job and has money saved up, the dire warnings about vulnerability usually given on MN to women reliant on others' wealth don't really apply. In fact presumably her situation is allowing her to build up savings which would make her much stronger financially if she were to find herself without support later. And the fact that she has a decent job shows she's not incapable. It may not be what most people think is a good way to live, but I'm not sure I see any obvious disastrous consequences for Artemis!

ItIsWhatItIsInnit · 25/02/2020 16:50

I'm not reliant on anybody.

But you are. I mean, I could save my entire salary rather than half of it, if someone else paid my rent and bills. But then I am reliant on them to get that level of savings.

Actually, I am reliant on my husband to pay half my rent and bills to save the amount that I can. It would be less if I had to pay that bills/rent not split in 2.

DriveMeCrazy1974 · 25/02/2020 16:57

I've never been abroad
I've never had to arrange a funeral (thankfully)
I've never bought a house.
Never been on a plane.
Never driven a car,
Never worked in an office.
Never used a lawnmower.
Never been further than London on my own (I live in Oxford!)
I am 45!

Graphista · 25/02/2020 17:18

@theCatsthecats your post reminded me of my mum. She didn’t learn to swim until her 60’s. She was quite water phobic and I think it was incredibly brave of her. She did it for the dgc as they’re all real water babies plus where we live kids and pensioners get free swimming.

“Then... I got divorced and became single mother of two and now.... bring it on!!! I’ve pretty much done it all!” This was true for me to a point too.

A lot of things ex did as part of our Setup but many I’d done once or twice before so knew how to but didn’t do them regularly so became more practised. But some were because I’d previously either been a lodger (prior to moving in when we married) or in army quarters (dad and ex both army) so certain things I wasn’t allowed to do where I’d lived before. When I got my first place after split it was great being able to decorate how I wanted, hang loads of pictures etc. And do what I liked with the garden. (My dad used to do what he liked in quarters gardens too but you have to return it to its prior state before moving out - ie a plain lawn - which is quite time consuming and difficult to do within 28 days (usual notice you get for moving on) and you really need to know your stuff there. Plus it can be back breaking work if you’re dealing with loads of digging up plants, laying turf etc.

But I also learned how to do things like lay carpets and change light fittings (I don’t mean changing bulbs I mean changing the type of fittings)

“What’s the big deal about paying bills??” My thinking here is it’s important to know where your money is going and that neither the companies you’re using nor your partner/spouse is ripping you off or even just not very competent at managing your budget. We see it on here all the time tbh women being deceived by partner/spouse on money matters but also a lot of people paying way over the odds for goods and services.

I try and hope I don’t pay more than i need to for anything.

I’m another who left home young (17) and had to crack on and do things probably many other 17 year olds didn’t have to even then.

“I wonder what percentage of the adult population as a whole have never lived on their own?” More so the older generations. My mum has never actually had a bed that’s just hers. She shared with her 3 sisters until she married (2 other sisters married the same year and the youngest actually found it really hard sleeping alone when they’d gone) and then my dad and they’ve been married almost 50 years now. She’s occasionally had the opportunity to have her and dads bed to herself when he was away training or deployed but she didn’t like it and me and my siblings would go in with her when he was away, we saw it as a treat. By the time we were too old for this/had left home dad was either past that point in his career or retired and home.

He’s occasionally been in hospital since then but mum either stays at hospital with him or ends up sleeping on sofa as she finds it too hard/weird in the bed on her own.

As someone with ocd I’m quite envious of the ones who’ve NEVER put out the bins or cleaned the loo! I wish I didn’t have to they’re my most hated bloody jobs!

“You are paying. Just not financially.” I’m afraid I agree with that!

And I also agree you are taking advantage of your dad. You clearly have little self respect or respect for others.

“I'm his only daughter” Yep I can see that unspoken “iou” coming due when he’s old and infirm. Your brothers won’t be expected to be do anything apart from an occasional visit, you will be expected I think to take him in and care for him. If you don’t think so I think you’re incredibly naive.

“What rights?” How can you say this seriously when you’re living in a country with a lot of women’s rights enshrined in law and while not enforced as well as they could be certainly things in this country are a lot better for women and girls than they are in others. Just off the top of my head:

The right to work
The right to be paid equally
The right to the same working condition as men
The right to keep your pay
The right to have your own bank account, credit card etc
The right to drive
The right to own property
The right to vote (even though you don’t appreciate that at all!)
The right to stand for political office
The right to be in a union
The right to take someone to court
The right to use contraception
The right to have an abortion
Maternity leave
Maternity pay

I’m beginning to think this poster disingenuous too.

You (if you are really a woman) would have none of these and many more if feminists hadn’t fought and even died over many years to gain these rights.

“And no, I will not be paying anything towards a house. My fiancé is already moved into the house we will be living in, he's the one who's bought it and will be paying for it.” Are you not moving in until you’re married?

Because if so you will have ZERO claim on the property and he can kick you out without notice, you’d not have a leg to stand on.

Even after you’re married for the first few years if you split you would have very little claim on the property, short marriages with no dc leave the poorer spouse badly off.

You’re sensible to save, you may well need those savings!

“but I'm not exactly doing that.” (Being in someone’s pockets) but you are! And not 1 man but 2!

“The men I'm talking about are my brothers, my best friends and those that are closest to me.” None of whom are legally or morally responsible for you. They’re not obligated to put a roof over your head, clothes on your back and food in your belly.

I genuinely hope for your sake you always have enough in savings to cover:

Rent + deposit for a new place

First month at least:

Council tax
Gas/electric
Food
Transport to work

Life can turn on a sixpence, you never know what’s around the corner.

As I say on the marriage v cohabitation threads too, it’s not just if your fiancé/father were to (financially at least) leave you, it’s also if they become incapacitated or when they die (especially if they die intestate) could leave you really stuck!

Saying you’ll never be a sah anything... I can see that changing given your fiancé was also brought up in a culture you claim is geared towards more traditional roles, let alone if you were to have dc that are/become sick/disabled or if you do yourself.

SisterAgatha · 25/02/2020 18:42

I think for Artemis there is huge potential for vulnerability if the source of the money fails. Like my friend whose dad sold her car. He had a new family he left for, made her mum sell their huge house in Islington so that he could buy somewhere for the new family. He had a chain of shops and they folded. Her brother was due to be building his own house on land he had, he had to sell it because it was tied to the business. He rents now. I think Artemis’s attitude is just a bit lacking in foresight, because people get ill, die, circumstances change, allegiances change all the time. What someone says to your face is very different from what they’ll say when inheritance is involved.

Gwenhwyfar · 25/02/2020 22:38

"Why do you let males pay your bills?"

If any males or females want to pay my bills, they are welcome to, as long as there are no strings attached. I totally get why someone wouldn't turn that offer down. If I won the lottery, I wouldn't give it back to the lottery organisation either.

Gwenhwyfar · 25/02/2020 22:50

"I genuinely hope for your sake you always have enough in savings to cover:

Rent + deposit for a new place

First month at least:

Council tax
Gas/electric
Food
Transport to work"

Of course she has. She earns a lot of money and has few expenses so she must have all this and more.

motherofadog · 25/02/2020 23:01

I'm 62. I've never:
got married
bought a house
been sensible with money
booked or been on a package holiday
bought a suitcase
bought a suit
done supermarket shopping on line
had anything waxed or lasered
learnt to walk in heels
successfully given up smoking, or anything else really
had life insurance
eaten oysters
owned a microwave
been arrested
done jury service
played golf
stopped climbing trees, playing air hockey, rolling down hills or getting seawater in my wellies
grown out of imposter syndrome or rebelliousness
bought new white goods

Verily1 · 26/02/2020 08:07

I’ve never had a wedding or been invited to a full one in my own right or been in a bridal party. So never had a hen do or honeymoon either.

Never been waxed.

Never had a smear or given blood.

Never had a root canal or crown/bridge.

Never been on a business flight.

Never been to a third world country.

Never started own business.

Never had short hair.

Never been able to touch type.

Never learned to play a musical instrument.

Never done spin fit/ step class/ boot camp/ curves.

Never been on a meal replacement diet.

Never had a cup of coffee.

JustKiddingBob · 26/02/2020 08:36

If any males or females want to pay my bills, they are welcome to, as long as there are no strings attached. I totally get why someone wouldn't turn that offer down. If I won the lottery, I wouldn't give it back to the lottery organisation either

This isn't the lottery, this is your parents we're talking about. You wouldn't feel guilty about them paying your way well into your adult life whilst earning a good wage?? I sure would.

Honeybee85 · 26/02/2020 08:39

Taking drugs
Drinking coffee
Taking care of elderly relatives

Snuffkindle · 26/02/2020 08:41

Drive a car
Got my eyebrows done
Written my will