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My colleague is lying about his fathers death.

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concerned90 · 23/02/2020 18:18

I've created a throwaway account to post this, as I am concerned any colleagues who see it will be able to connect it to my previous posts about my husband/children and it will be very outing.

Some relevant back story about my colleague who we'll call Dave. Dave is a big Facebook user, an over sharer if you will. Everything about his life, his wife, his child. Dave has form for leaving work early, and has become a little infamous for it. Now, tied in with the Facebook obsession, this has proved Dave to be a liar. Two examples: Dave leaves work an hour after coming in as his son his ill. Three hours later, he uploads a photo of his son sat in McDonald's after a cinema trip. This is during the school holidays. Dave leaves work early as his son has broken his leg and he needs to get to A&E to see him. Two days later, he uploads a video of his son jumping on a trampoline. Comments confirm the video was taken that day.

For the last 4/5 months, Dave has spoken about his father being ill/having dementia. This has also been plastered all over Facebook. About a month ago, Dave comes round to every member of the team individually to let us know his father has died. We all offer our condolences, a manager even drops him home as he doesn't drive. All normal.

Dave deletes his Facebook the moment he gets home. Now this is unusual for somebody so obsessed, but perhaps he needs a break.

Dave's now used up our company bereavement policy but some emergency holiday has been arranged to allow him more time off. Dave comes back on Facebook, but no mention of his father. No comments or anything from his family/friends. No mention of the funeral. This is obviously strange for a man who has posted so much about his father, and other normally private things.

On his birthday, his mother puts a post on Facebook 'happy birthday Dave, love mum and dad'. Dave removes this from his Facebook wall so it doesn't show anymore, but as he was tagged it still shows up on our Facebook feed. We alert the manager, who expresses concern but also advises we need to tread carefully as this could just be habit from his mother as the death has been so recent. Fine.

Another colleague, who we'll call Karen returns from long term sick. Karen asks where Dave has been. We explain that his father has died. Karen posts on Dave's wall saying sorry for the loss of your dad, let me know if I can do anything.

Dave removes the post immediately. He messages Karen saying he doesn't want people knowing his business. Strange thing for a chronic over sharer to say. Dave then deletes his Facebook again.

Over the weekend, another colleague who we'll call Tim, gets into conversation with an old friend. The old friend is married to Dave's cousin. Tim says how sorry he is about the death of Dave's father. The old friend advises that as far as he knew, Dave's father has not died as they have not heard anything.

Now, in my gut I know his father has not died. My head says that all we have is circumstantial evidence, and a conversation in pub. I don't know what to do. Do I talk to senior management? Am I going to walk into a meeting and seem like a crazy person?

AIBU to come to the conclusion that his father has not died and he has taken advantage of the managers being very kind to allow him a month off when usually somebody would get 5 days?

Tell me what you think/and what I should do.

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Fallsballs · 23/02/2020 18:31

I don’t think Dave is very bright.
I’d stay quiet and watch, he’s bound to fuck up with that level of lying.

constantlyseekinghappiness · 23/02/2020 18:31

Karen posts on Dave's wall saying sorry for the loss of your dad, let me know if I can do anything.

Notwithstanding that Dave might well be lying.... this just makes me cringe. What kind of adult posts condolences on Facebook as a post and doesn’t do this in person.

I think you all need to get off bloody Facebook.

concerned90 · 23/02/2020 18:31

My own father died a few years ago, I think that's why I'm so invested. Work were incredibly kind and patient with me whilst i grieved and I would hate to see anybody take advantage of this

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Youngatheart00 · 23/02/2020 18:32

I think you should raise your concerns directly with your / Dave’s line manager. Do you have any printed / screen shotted evidence of any of these posts you mention? I hope the manager is logging the absences and early departures correctly too. Without the two correlating there isn’t much proof or any case.

Knowing the type of person this individual is it will only be a matter of time before he’s off again for another reason.

Longwhiskers14 · 23/02/2020 18:32

Two examples: Dave leaves work an hour after coming in as his son his ill. Three hours later, he uploads a photo of his son sat in McDonald's after a cinema trip. This is during the school holidays. Dave leaves work early as his son has broken his leg and he needs to get to A&E to see him. Two days later, he uploads a video of his son jumping on a trampoline. Comments confirm the video was taken that day.

Dave's an idiot if he thinks no one is going to notice that! misses point of thread

But yes, Dave should be sacked for lying about his dad's death to accrue extra holiday time. Gross misconduct.

ElderAve · 23/02/2020 18:33

If you're not this mans manager you;re way too involved IMO, looking up death notices?! You've already mentioned it to his boss, leave it be and move on.

For the sake of your own sanity, I think you have to assume that Dave needs this time off, if not to deal with bereavement for some other MH reason. He hasn't gone about it the right way, but that's not your issue.

recrudescence · 23/02/2020 18:34

Message the mother. She’s going to know if her old man’s checked out.

SalmonOfKnowledge · 23/02/2020 18:34

is there an equivalent of www.rip.ie in the UK?

Nobody would dare lie about this in Ireland!

ElderAve · 23/02/2020 18:34

I hope you didn't do all this research on company time Wink

user1471449295 · 23/02/2020 18:35

No advice, but Dave is thick as shit and deranged. Does he think everyone else is stupid? I’m sure this is misconduct.

Drum2018 · 23/02/2020 18:35

Could Tim get confirmation from Daves cousins spouse? Perhaps tell Dave the team are sending flowers/a sympathy card to his mother. See how he reacts.

Bluetrews25 · 23/02/2020 18:35

Can you look at his Mum's FB account and see if she is 'in a relationship' etc, and if Dad is a friend of hers? Then look at his account? Hoping they have shit privacy setting.
Can you phone Mum and ask to speak to Dave's Dad? (under cover, obvs, and withheld phone no.)

Fr0g · 23/02/2020 18:36

Step Dad maybe?

You've raised concerns with managers, let them deal with it.
Keep your distance when/if he returns to work.

SalmonOfKnowledge · 23/02/2020 18:36

I wouldn't message his Mum though, no.

I think you should do nothing to be honest. The truth will come out. You're not his manager. You could tell his manager, but it'll be like on Derry Girls when the nun says to clare, well, I think it's safe to say we all have a bit less respect for you now Clare.

concerned90 · 23/02/2020 18:37

@Bluetrews25 dad not on Facebook - somebody at work already checked that! I think we are all too invested in this. There's just something about it that turns our stomach!

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SalmonOfKnowledge · 23/02/2020 18:37

Oh sorry, too late, you've told his manager!

veryphishy · 23/02/2020 18:37

There's an easy way to sort this if management want to. They could just say that to process the additional leave they'll need a copy of the death certificate for HR.

I'm fairly sure in one place I worked we have to provide this for paid special leave.

MimiLaRue · 23/02/2020 18:41

Dave is an absolute arsehole. What will he do when he dad does actually die? I'd shop him.

Sparklfairy · 23/02/2020 18:42

Well, people can only die once. So what is he going to do if he's lied now and then his dad actually does die Confused if you're right he really didn't think this one through did he?

If you've already passed on your suspicions, if I was your manager I would be doing some digging myself. You yourself need to tread carefully as if you're wrong it will blow up in your face, and if you're right you seem very over invested in other people's business

Bagofoldbones · 23/02/2020 18:42

I think your obsessed. Checking the local deaths is beyond over investment.

If his work is an issue complain about that but the rest of the other stuff makes you sound like a stalker.

Swatsup · 23/02/2020 18:42

2 dads? Step dad, foster parent, biological father etc

WinterCat · 23/02/2020 18:42

I agree that Dave is likely lying but make sure first of all the dad his mum and cousin refer to isn’t a stepfather.

Porcupineinwaiting · 23/02/2020 18:43

My office are very generous with compassionate leave. But after the funeral you have to produce a copy of the death certificate.

NeedToKnow101 · 23/02/2020 18:43

The first rule of taking the piss out of work like this, is don't ever add colleagues to Facebook.

Nekoness · 23/02/2020 18:44

I think if you filed a grievance that you suspect he is abusing office policies, then your work could investigate. Who filed the grievance in this case would remain anonymous because Dave can defend himself quite easily against the allegation by producing a death certificate.

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