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To want to be married?

184 replies

TinyCucumber · 20/02/2020 15:57

Hi everyone.
When I met my other half he used to tell everybody I was “the kind of lady you put a ring on” and he was absolutely adamant he wanted to marry me.... but he never asked me. I used to tell him I want to get married etc, he would just say he does too.
About 5 years after we met we had a child. He still didn’t ask me. I told him again, but nothing.
He wanted another baby so I agreed, but when it didn’t happen I decided not to continue trying because I wanted to be married... still, he never asked. I told him I wanted to be married and he just keeps saying that he does too. I ask why he doesn’t ask me and he said he doesn’t know, he’s never found the opportunity (lol).

I said do you want me to ask you?! He said no, he will ask me.

Anyway, he still hasn’t asked me. Am I just to accept to never being married? I gave up my career and life to be a SAHM and (yes, stupidly) still haven’t been asked to be married!

I know this is my fault, we are happy together... but am I being unreasonable to be losing my mind about not being married? It’s embarrassing at this point.

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FrenchBoule · 20/02/2020 22:40

Oh, and OP, YANBU.
Your OH doesn’t want to get married to you. He wants to have his proverbial cake and eat it and somebody else to foot the bill.
Please think of your next steps to make yourself financially independent because if your OH one day decides to call time on your relationship you’re in a very vulnerable position.

Smelborp · 20/02/2020 23:14

I would tell him if he’s not proposed by the end of the month then you will on the 29th (and yes, you could propose at any time but if he likes tradition...)

Then do propose on the 29th and you’ll have your answer.

Graphista · 20/02/2020 23:28

“There's this strange phenomena floating about - it's called unplanned pregnancy.”

Yes and I’ve had one myself when I was very young and much more naive.

There’s also contraception!

And after that pregnancy when not ttc I insisted on 2 forms being used.

I also don’t buy that all accidental pregnancies are truly accidental.

Partly poor education - women/girls need to be told much more widely/bluntly about all the things that can interfere with hormonal contraception, AND of emergency contraception if you know something’s gone wrong eg split condom.

I’ve also taken map 3 times.

And while I think it relatively rare sadly there are women who will risk missing a couple pills etc and “see what happens”

Even more rare, but do exist, women who stop taking contraception without telling their partner. Yes the men should be using condoms of course, still a shitty thing to do. Still happens with the women usually foolishly thinking a pregnancy will bind the guy to them/prompt a proposal.

There’s also abortion. Not for everyone I know but it is available as an option.

I was very clear when I met my ex that I had no intention of staying with anyone long term without marriage and also that marriage was for me to come before babies.

Not because I was old fashioned, or moral or religious. But because I had already seen by the time I met him the potential damaging repercussions for women/children if no marriage.

He was army too and I also wasn’t going to trail after him, trying to find suitable accommodation in places I was unfamiliar with, paying out endless deposits and moving costs with no commitment from him. Dad was army and I knew if we were married that meant married quarters, no moving costs, no deposits, no flat hunting.

He also had deployments in war zones and if anything had happened to him how everything then gets dealt with if you’re married is so much simpler. He and I both had roles working for/attached to the army where we dealt with people who’s partners were in when they were injured seriously or died and it made things very complicated, especially if the partners didn’t get along with the “in laws” or where there were supposed doubts on paternity of children etc

Unfortunately there's also a phenomenon where someone who's dated a soldier and is pregnant by someone else if the soldier dies in service they sometimes try and claim the child is the soldiers. It's thankfully pretty rare but it does happen on occasion. Or at the very least they don't know until baby born.

Marriage just makes things a whole lot more practical and easier.

And it ensured a level of fairness when we split too. He tried to get away with certain things but couldn’t completely because we were married.

Electrical · 20/02/2020 23:44

OP, enough of the ‘I feel bad now!’ type of stuff, you urgently need to educate yourself about the differences in protections and status of married couples and people,who live together. Married people have opted in to legal protections, people who live in the same property have zero right, status or protection. You are two separate entities, not legally a family, as you would have known when choosing to sacrifice your job, earnings, pension contributions and security to provide free childcare and house cleaning duties for your boyfriend.

He’s made it clear he does not in fact want to marry you, and will manipulate you into shutting up about the matter, but I still happy to use you for childcare, laundry, cleaning services and sex. You could be removed from his property/tenancy at any minute and have zero protections.

Osirus · 20/02/2020 23:52

Give him a choice of a couple of dates. ‘ I’m thinking May or July for our wedding, do you have any preference?’.

Christ sake, don’t do this! You’ll look fucking nuts.

We married after 11 years. We were discussing me having a different surname to our baby daughter and he suggested we get married. We decided on a date about a minute later and then I booked it a few days later, for 6 months ahead.

He was very much like your DP. I think he likes being married more than me Grin

AnotherEmma · 20/02/2020 23:59

Well done for having a frank conversation, OP.
It is annoying that he was upset and you felt bad - it does seem very manipulative. But you made your points and I hope after reflecting you won't feel guilty. They were all very good points.

If he won't marry you then you need to do as you said, which is go back to work and share childcare responsibilities. But you also need to insist that he makes a will with you as executor and beneficiary (if he hasn't already). I think you already said that he has life insurance and you will get the payout? So that's something at least. But a will is essential too.

Osirus · 21/02/2020 00:17

So you can't just 'book at date' to get married.

Er, yes you can. I phoned (as in just me!) to book the actual date we wanted to marry. We got the booking we wanted.

We were then told we had to serve notice of intention of marriage together, and this needed to be within so many weeks of the marriage date we’d already booked. We then booked our notice of intention to marry date a bit later.

I booked our wedding DATE in January.

Our notice of intention of marriage date was booked weeks later, for a date in March. It was the Monday after Mother’s Day.

We then got married in June. On the day we’d booked back in January Grin.

jonesss · 21/02/2020 00:21

You need to ask him what it is that's stopping him proposing/booking a date if he is so adamant that he wants to marry you.

Qwerty543 · 21/02/2020 00:36

You did exactly the right thing in bringing this up OP. Wtf is he upset about if he wants to marry you? I think he's stringing you along or he would have done it by now.

Dozer · 21/02/2020 07:55

How is your DCs’ health now?

If your DC is well enough, stable with their condition, to enable you to return to work, would job seek. Even PT would reduce your risk a bit.

If your DC isn’t well enough, would prioritise your personal finances, building up savings in your sole name. Don’t tell your DP.

And investigate what your housing and benefit options would be in the event of a breakup. If you might be able to get any benefits now that you’re not already claiming, apply now.

adaline · 21/02/2020 09:48

He reluctantly nodded but he’s upset, and I feel bad.

Stop worrying so much about his feelings.

He's lied to you and strung you along for years. You've given up your job and sacrificed your earning potential, career and pension for him!

Get back into the workplace. Start looking into childcare options for your DC and get your independence back. You can't trust him now. Don't give up anymore of your life for him.

diddl · 21/02/2020 10:01

" I think independence from each other (but stay together)"

What's in that for you though?

CalleighDoodle · 21/02/2020 10:01

You could very well get a fancy ring and a romantic proposal from him now.

But I bet my entire Point Horror Book collection, there will be no actual wedding.

ArriettyJones · 21/02/2020 10:04

But I bet my entire Point Horror Book collection, Grin

ArriettyJones · 21/02/2020 10:07

Get back into the workplace. Start looking into childcare options for your DC and get your independence back. You can't trust him now. Don't give up anymore of your life for him.

This OP.

It might sound harsh, but “love” is worthless without trust and respect.

You showed strength and some feminist instinct by giving your son your name. Build on that. Reclaim your life, your self-respect and be the strong woman you are.

I’m not sure if this is coming across as kindly as I mean it. It is so clear you can do so much better (and I don’t necessarily mean another man). You are strong and capable.

WhiteBadger · 21/02/2020 10:19

He is aware how vulnerable you are by not being married?

I've not read the full thread but do you have a mortgage together or is it in his name?

I was with someone over 25 years and it was me who didn't want to get married. I loathe the thought of marriage. He was desperate to get married but I didn't see the point. However I've worked full time all my life as did he.

But if he had ended up being a Sahd, and suggested marriage for legal reasons, I'd definitely be open to that. I would never want someone I loved to feel vulnerable.

Maybe if he understood your side of it he would come round.

ShesGotBetteDavisEyes · 21/02/2020 10:20

Have you ever heard the saying “why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free” OP?

He has a stay at home nanny, cook, cleaner, lover. At the moment should you split he will only be required to give you CMS payments which are usually a pittance. He probably knows this. You sound a bit clueless Op and you need to wise up for your own sake and your sons.

He should want to make sure you and his child have some security if anything happens to him. Also, if he had an accident and ended up on life support it would be his parents who would have to give permission for it to be switched off etc.

There is no such thing as common law marriage - if you split or he dies you have no say over any assets/savings. You will be at his mercy.

I would tell him you need to book the registrar now, this year and if he says no I would get myself a job and start making plans for the future that don’t include him.

WhiteBadger · 21/02/2020 10:23

Oh I've just read your update. :(

He was upset!!! Wtf. It's not looking good is it OP?

He was upset because he is putting you and his child in a vulnerable position m? And he is upset???

Never heard the like!!

peaceanddove · 21/02/2020 11:10

Oh dear, he is absolutely stringing you along isn't he? I see he has also cleverly trained you to feel guilty if you ever dare to express yourself firmly. I once read in here that men aren't afraid of getting married, they're just afraid of getting married to the wrong person. It is so very true.

DH and I met when we were still students so there was no rush to get married for years. But when I accidentally got pregnant DH immediately proposed, added me onto all his bank accounts and credit cards and got himself loaded up with plenty of life insurance and a Will. This is because he wanted to make sure me and our baby was properly taken care if anything happened to him. He wanted to make sure we weren't vulnerable because he loved me and knew what his responsibility was.

Trahira · 21/02/2020 12:15

I don't really understand your update OP. If he got upset and wants to get married then why don't you just put the wheels in motion and get married? What did he say when you suggested that?

LagunaBubbles · 21/02/2020 12:26

I’m not even sure I should have said anything now
Neither of us like arguments and I feel as though I’ve just started a one-sided one

A relationship where people don't communicate their feelings is no relationship at all. Is that what you want for you the future? Too scared of telling him how you feel in case he gets "upset"?

fastliving · 21/02/2020 14:48

Sorry about that op
Unless you force an ultimatum I doubt this man will marry you.
Hope you've got a good pension?

yellowallpaper · 21/02/2020 19:11

Offer to book a civil partnership. No fuss, no organising, nothing much to do. If he waffles, just say is xyz date ok by you? Can you get time off? Don't let him swerve off, you're not asking him to ask you, you are taking control. Not being married or in a CP you have put yourself at an incredibly vulnerable financial position. Explain this to him and that you are not prepared to put up with it.

If he actually want to get married with all the trimmings, he will propose, otherwise go ahead with the CP.

It's the 21st century. Protect yourself and your DC legally. You can always do the wedding thing at any time.

WalkingDeadTrainee · 21/02/2020 19:41

Offer to book a civil partnership. No fuss, no organising, nothing much to do.

Same like simple reg office wedding ceremony...

Noconceptofnormal · 21/02/2020 19:43

Book the 'intention to get married' appointment and say if he wants a future with you then the time to do it is now. Go armed with how vulnerable you are (inheritance, pensions, savings etc, you're not counted as next of kin if one of you were on a life support machine etc) and say that you're no longer willing to go along with that and if he loved you he wouldn't want you to be in that position either.

If he uses the excuse of a proper white wedding etc then just say you can have the party whenever but you want the official piece of paper now.

You've already opened Pandora's box and have fallen out over it soi think you may as well see it through.

If he refuses to attend the appointment I'd cut my losses and leave. At least you then know where you are and you can find someone who really loves you.

On a separate note I really wish that every girl had to attend a class at school which made clear the risks of doing this and dispelled commly held beliefs around common law marriages etc, which is a myth.