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To want to be married?

184 replies

TinyCucumber · 20/02/2020 15:57

Hi everyone.
When I met my other half he used to tell everybody I was “the kind of lady you put a ring on” and he was absolutely adamant he wanted to marry me.... but he never asked me. I used to tell him I want to get married etc, he would just say he does too.
About 5 years after we met we had a child. He still didn’t ask me. I told him again, but nothing.
He wanted another baby so I agreed, but when it didn’t happen I decided not to continue trying because I wanted to be married... still, he never asked. I told him I wanted to be married and he just keeps saying that he does too. I ask why he doesn’t ask me and he said he doesn’t know, he’s never found the opportunity (lol).

I said do you want me to ask you?! He said no, he will ask me.

Anyway, he still hasn’t asked me. Am I just to accept to never being married? I gave up my career and life to be a SAHM and (yes, stupidly) still haven’t been asked to be married!

I know this is my fault, we are happy together... but am I being unreasonable to be losing my mind about not being married? It’s embarrassing at this point.

OP posts:
ChainsawBear · 20/02/2020 18:46

No, you did the right thing. His blah whatever right opportunity to propose thing got left in the dust long ago when you had a SN child and gave up your job. If he gives the single tiniest shit about you, he would privilege your need to be married to him, now, straightaway, for the protection it provides to you and your child, over whatever bullshit feelings he has about the "right time to propose".

TinyCucumber · 20/02/2020 18:46

Okay I’m sorry @Booberella9 . Our pregnancy was unintentional but wanted.

I was just wanting advice. I feel sufficiently embarrassed already

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Burplecutter · 20/02/2020 18:50

Google inheritance tax for unmarried couples. Show him how your children would benefit when you both die if you are married.

TSSDNCOP · 20/02/2020 18:51

Well to be fair, you’re no worse off OP. At least you’ve started to make your case. It’ll be interesting how long his being upset lasts before he changes the subject and hopes like shit you feel embarrassed enough to drop it. Careful you don’t get played here.

EuroMillionsWinner · 20/02/2020 18:52

He reluctantly nodded but he’s upset, and I feel bad.

But he doesn't feel one bit bad about future faking you, stringing you along and making you incredibly financially vulnerable. I'd quit bringing it up and start focusing on going back to work and splitting the childcare. He doesn't want to marry you and is upset his gravy train is pulling into the station and no longer willing to enable him to live with everything on his own terms.

Notice that although you brought it up he still still didn't say, 'You're right! I do want to get married. So shall be go to the registry office tomorrow and see what dates are available?

No, he didn't do that. That tells you all you need to know.

JennysTailor · 20/02/2020 18:54

Don't be embarrassed, you have taken the right steps. You really should follow through and get a job though.

I do admit as soon as I read the 'kind of lady I'd put a ring on' line I could pretty much predict what was about to be written next. I completely agree with what was said about it being a indicator of his attitudes towards women, some type of madonna/whore complex. Also he expects you to stay at home and care for your son but at the time completely undervalues it and has kept family money separate, or at least bred this attitude that you don't deserve to have a shared pot.

I expect as you start to break away and become more independent and are able to value yourself more that you might view him differently.

SunshineCake · 20/02/2020 18:54

He might be upset as a way to shut you up

Lippy1234 · 20/02/2020 18:57

He will do the hurt face bit and act totally surprised

CalleighDoodle · 20/02/2020 18:59

He got upset? Really? Because you want to get married, the mother of his child who he said he wants to marry, he got upset?

Why would someone who says they want to get married to you get upset by the suggestion? Really think about that.

He is bullshitting. Because it doesn't make any sense that he would be brought to tears by the woman he wants to marry saying she wants to get married.

SallySun123 · 20/02/2020 19:00

I had an unintentional first child with a guy I knew for a few months. We got married after the baby was born because it was important to both of us. No big proposal, no big fancy party, we just got married. Now we’re happily married with more children, he’s my absolute hero. There’s soooooo much pressure on everyone to do ridiculous OTT proposals and hugely expensive weddings.

He’s said he wants to marry you, why are you waiting for some kind of proposal? Choose a date and book it in, leave the drama out of it.

You’ve got nothing to feel silly or embarrassed about.

EuroMillionsWinner · 20/02/2020 19:03

Exactly, Calleigh.

You need to start focusing more on your own feelings and predicament than on him because he's shown he doesn't care. If you had not brought it up he would have carried on without a peep. He still is.

Prioritising him is part of the reason you're in this fix.

Wetcarparkrain · 20/02/2020 19:06

Agree with much of what has been said, but can I just point out that being a sahp does NOT mean you automatically have no pension. Anyone is able to open a sipp and get contributions put into it that the government will top up to a certain level whether you’re earning or not. If your husband/partner is salting away cash for their future, you should be too and it should be considered a household budget priority.

TSSDNCOP · 20/02/2020 19:11

Sally she’s not waiting for those things. She has said she simply wants to be married to him, and has literally just had that conversation with him.

Nicolastuffedone · 20/02/2020 19:16

He’s never, in all these years, had an opportunity to ask you to marry him??? What? I don’t understand that....

lynsey91 · 20/02/2020 19:23

Sorry but what on earth did he get upset about? He knows you want to get married, he says he does too so what exactly is stopping you getting married?

It is perfectly possible to have a very small, quiet and inexpensive wedding.

I don't think you have said exactly how long you have been together but you say you were together for 5 years before you got pregnant so more than 5 years. Plenty long enough to be married.

I would be asking him what he is waiting for. Also if he ever does actually propose don't then be engaged forever and not actually set a date (preferably way not too far away)

villamariavintrapp · 20/02/2020 19:26

So he doesn't want to marry you after all. He's upset and 'reluctantly' agreeing that actually you have to go back to work now rather than rely on him?! Sorry OP. What a shit.

QueenofmyPrinces · 20/02/2020 19:28

I can’t believe how manipulative men can be.

Wake up OP - if he still hasn’t agreed to get the process of marriage underway despite you having said said all that to him then it’s pretty clear that he does not want to marry you.

Leatherupper · 20/02/2020 19:29

YADNBU to want the formal public commitment of marriage. Sadly your OH doesn’t seem to want to. You need to have a serious conversation with him.

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 20/02/2020 19:32

Sorry OP but he doesn't want to marry you, he's lying. If he wanted to he just would have by now.

Forgetfebuary · 20/02/2020 19:36

He started the 1⃣ aided argument by gas lighting and ignoring your requests to get married.

I'm don't even know if you can have a say in his funeral arrangements should he die!

Graphista · 20/02/2020 19:36

@ihavechangedmyname

“I wasn't really bothered with all this marriage thing, as I know it doesn't change a thing.” If you really believed that why are you marrying now?

It changes LOADS legally and financially...and psychologically. Couples who marry are more likely to stay together.

Op if you’re not wanting to break up and with a dc with medical issues at the very least you need to do all you and more importantly HE can to ensure your and your child’s security in the event of several eventualities - not just splitting up!

He needs critical illness cover in case he becomes incapacitated. So do you actually as Carer for your child.

What is the situation with your housing? Rented or mortgage and in who’s name?

Pensions? Does he have a private pension and are you named as beneficiary? Do you have a pension being paid into?

Is your NI being paid?

Wills? Crucial! If he were to die intestate you and your child could be royally screwed.

I always mention on these threads the cautionary tale of my relative who’s partner died intestate while she was a sahm to their young dc. She and the children had to leave the family home, she had to return to full time work while they were all still very much shocked and grieving. She’d got along ok with “in laws” prior to his death, no indication of any problems. Pretty much as soon as he died they made sure they claimed as his rightful heirs and excluded her and dc.

I’m sure there are other things mners can recommend? That’s just off top of my head.

“this isn't the 18th century anymore.” But unfortunately our laws are still very much on the clear basis of marriage/formalised union and women and children are still very much financially disadvantaged.

I’m afraid (and apologies parts of this may come across quite harsh but is the reality) it’s also quite common for men to leave the person in the ops position when they want dc/more dc if the person in the ops place is not able to do so and quickly marry and have dc with someone else, often someone much younger. Happens a lot, happened to me even being married! Although in my ex’s case it was more “subconscious”.

But more likely when no marriage to disentangle from.

“I’m not sure what is considered as significant assets? (Sorry I’m not very clued up)”
Please please educate yourself on all this ASAP, though I warn you much of it may come as a shock.

Who’s name are the savings for the future mortgage/house in?

As a sahm I believe you’ll find it difficult if not impossible to get your name on the deeds.

Also, quite honestly you could do/insist on all of the above but he can undo it all without telling you and you’d have no “come back” at all.

I’ve seen that happen in real life too - men who’ve switched their beneficiaries from their partner to the ow without telling partner! Or even just to their mum or siblings and the partner had no idea until they died.

You certainly need to consider returning to work if possible (get a job outside his working hours so he can care for your son?) too.

Get a bank account that’s just yours preferably a completely different banking group to his into which any money you receive for your son (child Ben, DLA) or benefits you receive are paid. If he were to walk out OR become incapacitated OR die you will then at least have access to these funds until things are sorted.

“but this site and RL is littered with people who plodded along for years only for their OH to leave them virtually destitute in their middle/old age.” So true!

“He reluctantly nodded but he’s upset, and I feel bad.” DO NOT feel bad!!

HE is the one wanting it all his way! He wants you running the home, caring for your (joint) child, taking the financial/career hit, BUT he won’t ensure your and your child’s security by simply popping to the registry office?!

Nah! He’s taking the piss!

I’d have said something like

“I’ve given you more than enough time to get your head around this. Our child and I are in an incredibly vulnerable position with me as an unmarried sahm should anything happen in the future including anything unforeseen happening to you. I need to ensure our child and I will be ok if that happens. That means me going back to work especially seeing as you won’t do the reasonable thing and marry me”

Enough pussy footing around!

HE doesn’t “feel bad” he’s pissed off his cushy lifestyle is ending! That’s what he’s “upset” about!

Time to get organised!

1 bank account
2 check your pension/NI status
3 job

You can not rely on this guy he’s only looking out for himself.

Graphista · 20/02/2020 19:38

I'm don't even know if you can have a say in his funeral arrangements should he die!

I've known of cases where the partner/dc were outright excluded from the funeral altogether. People can be astonishingly cruel.

MarchDaffs · 20/02/2020 19:46

He's got a cheek being upset. But make sure you follow up on this discussion OP, and don't allow yourself to be fobbed off with the promise of a proposal. Either concrete plans start to be made in the near future, or proceed on the assumption that it's not going to happen and make your plans accordingly. Good call to start talking about going to work: a man simply can't think he's entitled to have his partner available for full time childcare if he isn't prepared to offer a marriage contract. Though actually if I were you I'd still think about getting back to work regardless of whether you get married.

In terms of assets, it sounds like you don't have a huge amount. Whose name are the savings for the deposit in? As and when you buy a house, make sure you're on the mortgage. Don't listen to anyone who says it's not possible if you have no income. Do you have wills? Are you listed as a beneficiary on his work pension? If the answer to both of these isn't yes, that needs sorting immediately. As in, this week.

Aquamarine1029 · 20/02/2020 19:47

He knows you want to get married, has said up and down ad nauseam that he does too, yet it upset about your latest conversation? What a load of bullshit. He's only upset because you've confronted him about something he doesn't want to do. Total future faker. Even if he does "propose", (to shut you up), imagine how long he'll drag the engagement out.

user53976478853 · 20/02/2020 19:56

Do you feel bad for asserting your own needs (without harming him at all in the process) because you don't think you're worth much or deserve to have your needs met?

Someone who loves you should want to see you financially secure and protected, and wouldn't play stupid games like he has.

The only person who should feel bad here is him.

If you aren't used to being assertive and you don't much value yourself (I mean, you seem to have poured your efforts into building him up whilst neglecting yourself) then it will feel uncomfortable to start being assertive.

I think what you have said will happen next in terms of finances is entirely reasonable and sensible.