to be worried about coronavirus part 3

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starting this in case ivybush is busy

previous thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3819574-AIBU-to-ask-if-you-are-worried-about-the-new-coronavirus-continued

Its a very risky business claiming knowledge that you don't have (not you) in the midst of a pandemic scare.

Oh get to fuck. I never claimed any such thing and as it's me you quoted I can only assume that it's me you mean.

A professor is currently stating that all those hundreds who have tested negative and been released are not guarantee to not be spreading it.

Its the most bizarre phenomenon, but the British govt don't seem to be taking a grip atall.

Our frontline medical teams don't even seem to have much in the way of quarantine gear, no stocks of face masks from supplier, or sufficient cover alls.

Little or no embassy engagement with overseas brits it seems. Accurate communication Boris FFS.

I quoted what you wrote, that was incorrect. It was incorrect in or out of context.

Also, when I put (not you) I was specifically responding to OPs points, as I was in that post.

Given that the average age of an MP is 50 and the average age of a Lord is 70, you'd think at least their usual inclination for self preservation would have kicked in by now.

You see you don't help your cause any on a seriois discussion thread with this type of response...

oh get to fuck why? Just rude and inflammatory
I don't pretend to be a scientist. So, you don't have to be you know, just to stick to evidence.

Try quoting me in context next time, eh. Well, no, it was just wrong no matter what context you were using it in. Yes, there are tons of posts comparing it to flu, which is irrelevant.

clarification for your fastidious benefit
rude. Do you normally find it helps discussion being rude to people like this?

Seriously, I am done after that response.

I don't feel well enough for this tripe, and rudeness, just a race to the bottom.

Use @usernameishistory I realise that.

So are you saying that 'it's just the flu' is a reasonable dismissal of the risk? I don't think it is and I do think that what most people who say that mean, is it's no worse than a heavy cold. I also don't think that people who take that view base their views in the reality of what is happening.

Please don't make it about that. Thats not what its about. Bye

Well this has hot rock bottom. You were rude in misquoting me and then implying that I'm an idiot. Shall we just agree to disagree?

But it is! It's precisely about that. You have misunderstood.

Good grief, username, that was a pretty unwarranted attack wasnt it?

usernameishistory, have you read the previous two threads which this one is a continuation of?

I tend to mostly lurk but I'm quite sure that Gorky is in the 'it's not just flu* camp, as are most people on this thread... Except perhaps the odd visitor/troll/Storer etc.

I don't know how you could be so upset by such a benign point user.

I'm not one of those people who believe all opinions are equal but it's pretty much taken as given that often people will mistake a bad cold for the flu. The term 'man flu' highlights that point well.

It stands to reason if the common cold is often mistaken for flu, then people will be unreasonably soothed by the phrase 'it's just the flu'.

The actual voracity of the claim may be suspect if thrown under the microscope but it's a reasonable claim and given it's a chat forum - on Aibu, no less - it's an entirely reasonable and inoffensive post.

Stirer, bit Storer!

Argh, autocorrect. Stirer, not Storer. Sigh.

Anyway. Long may the lack of new cases in the UK continue. I'm feeling more optimistic than I was last week.

I'm no experts on viruses, but:

1. if this virus is attacking ACE-2 receptors, and
2. if European populations have ~1/2 as many ACE-2 receptors as the Japanese and Chinese populations, and
3. no Europeans have had anything more than mild / barely detectable symptoms from this thing...

...am I being premature if I conclude that the death rate in the UK is likely to be very very small?

Okay, not that many Europeans have actually been diagnosed yet, so maybe I'm being hasty. But logically, if attacks ACE-2 receptors, it seems the obvious conclusion...?

There hasn't been an awful lot of research on ace-2 receptors and differences in ethnicity to make any bold claims on that front (God knows why, it seems like a useful thing to look into following SARS).

I think there is a significant degree of difference in smokers and non-smokers - but I can't find anything peer reviewed on that either.

MrsBethel that may be the sort of territory the CMO was contemplating when he said there’s a possibility this virus “doesn’t travel well”. I imagine there aren’t yet enough cases outside China to draw firm conclusions either way.

Are ANY of the people who live in China/Japan/South Korea etc who are really ill with the virus, not Asian? Any seriously ill Americans for example?
I'm interested in this ace receptors theory.
Are there any none Asians that we know to be or have been seriously ill?

20 new cases in south Korea this morning, 5 new cases in Japan, 79 new cases on the diamond princess, 2 new cases in Iran, 1 new case in Taiwan, 1 new death in Hong Kong, 56 new cases and 4 new deaths in "rest of China" (not Hubei who report figures later).

The worldometers site data includes a column for “serious/critical” which includes 20 from the Diamond Princess (ethnicity & nationality unknown), 1 in the UAE, 2 in Italy - those in Italy were Chinese visitors I think.

Linking again: www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Interestingly the US case numbers haven't been updated even though their diamond princess confirmed cases are now back in the US

Are they only counting the ones diagnosed on British soil in our figures? Maybe that's what they are doing? I dunno, I'm just guessing. I'm getting lost now with who's been diagnosed where 🙈

There's not much information on those who are critically ill from the Diamond Princess.

All I could find was this...

this.kiji.is/602066054273565793

"According to the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare, there were a total of 20 severely ill persons on the cruise ship on the 17th, including 11 Japanese, in their 60s and 80s. Of these, 19 were positive for the new coronavirus and one was negative."