to be worried about coronavirus part 3

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starting this in case ivybush is busy

previous thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3819574-AIBU-to-ask-if-you-are-worried-about-the-new-coronavirus-continued

www.rfi.fr/es/un-avi%C3%B3n-de-alitalia-bloqueado-en-la-isla-mauricio-por-coronavirus-oficial
An Alitalia plane blocked on Mauritius by coronavirus (official)

A Spanish news source

Local health officials in the #Iraqi holy #Shia city of #Najaf have detected the first case of #coronavirus in the country, an #Iranian theology student, the health ministry said on Monday. #NewTRNewsAgency t.co/VzxdrxRGOt

Re the '3 suspected cases in the Alps' the region where these cases are is Alpes-maritime which includes the Alps but also goes right down to the sea eg Nice and the Côte d'Azur is in Alpes Maritimes

The Alpes Maritime region is similar in size to Kent. Am pointing this out as I know someone here has an ill daughter in an alpine village and does not need to be given further cause to worry by these cases being discussed here as being in the Alps.

3 suspected cases at a Paris police station too apparently.

Mittens I was thinking hypothetically that if the virus was causing symptoms it would be in samples in sufficiently numbers to test positively?

I did think for that particular patient with the situation on the Diamond Princess it was only a matter of time til a positive test.

The Alps cases have come back negative:

The prefect of the Alpes-Maritimes Bernard Gonzalez announced that 3 suspected cases of coronavirus have been tested in the department. They are negative. He made the announcement during a meeting with local elected officials and representatives of the Regional Health Agency. The department is close to northern Italy where more than 150 cases have been detected.

Have foolishly looked at Mail online comments & some are saying that it's a lab made virus that has been deliberately leaked??!!

UPDATE: Italy reports 26 new cases of coronavirus, or 64 new cases and 2 new deaths so far today, raising total to 219 cases and 5 dead t.co/eUoE2b20hL

diddl I made the mistake of looking on Twitter yesterday. We live and learn.

The UK’s 1st #coronavirus home test kits are now available for pharmacists to order exclusively from @pharmadoctoruk👇
t.co/yfOJ91WHON t.co/UetyJqwnt9
Interesting. I wonder if that's what will happen if/when it becomes too big to manage?

NEW: China's National Health Commission says more than 3,000 medical staff members among those infected with coronavirus - Reuters

I think home test kits are a brilliant idea.. figures would be more accurate.. but only if they're reliable. It would be a worry that a lot of people would get a false negative

Home test kits are an interesting development, but will people really self-isolate if they are the only ones who know they are positive? I can imagine there will be some who say - oh well, who will know? I feel OK, it’s only like mild flu, what can be the harm in a trip to the supermarket/a football match/my cousin’s wedding?

Supermarket shelves have been emptied in Milan, as residents stockpile food and supplies ahead of a government-enforced #coronavirus quarantine.

A dozen towns in Italy are in lockdown as authorities race to contain #COVID19 in Europe.

Read more here: t.co/6Zht40T43s t.co/R2BhgvvDUk

The photos of the empty stores are insane.
Come over to the prepping board and see how we are stocking up before anything like this happens here.

I think self-test kits would be good and ease pressure on NHS for testing at least. I read someone comment yesterday elsewhere that in Thailand people are avoiding testing as they don't want to be taken into hospital so there maybe people who would self-isolate but not go into hospital unless critical. Though in general not a big fan of self-isolation - know a lot of people who would just do various things. Also it's tricky with kids unless they close schools and nurseries though seem to be doing that in Italy.

Coronavirus updates:

• 5 new cases in Hong Kong
• 2 new cases in Taiwan
• 1 new case in Singapore

t.co/eUoE2b20hL

I'm not sure about the home test kits.

Presumably you have to leave the house to get them?

Seems like a way to play on anxieties & make money.

@diddl and @FelicityFebruary me too. There's a level 4 lab microbiology lab outside wuhan that some are saying in the source of the virus. But various academics have studied the genome and have dispelled this myth saying the manner in which it is mutating is in line with a zoonotic source, not an artificially engineered one.

But more recently officials in China have released a notice:

'The ministry said in the notice that China should enhance its management of viruses and bioagents at all labs and research institutes, without any explanation as to why this is being proposed right now, leaving some to speculate whether this could be a subtle official acknowledgement of a role played by the lab'.

Full article here:

www.google.ie/amp/s/qz.com/1805422/wuhan-virology-lab-unable-to-quell-china-coronavirus-conspiracies/amp/

Scary

I used google translate:

确保生物安全！科技部要求加强对实验室特别是对病毒的管理

科技部社会发展科技司司长吴远彬在今天（15日）的国务院联防联控新闻发布会上介绍，为加强规范管理和服务，高效有序推进全国应急科技攻关，科技部出台了《关于加强新冠病毒高等级病毒微生物实验室生物安全管理的指导意见》。
吴远彬介绍，《意见》要求实验室发挥平台作用，服务科技攻关需求。同时，各主管部门也强调要加强对实验室，特别是对病毒的管理，确保生物安全。
吴远彬说，在科技攻关中既强调特事特办，又强调合法合规，加强相关研究的伦理审查和知情同意，做好疫情期间外国专家保障，为各企业提供好服务。
相关专题：聚焦武汉新型冠状病毒肺炎疫情

Ensure biosecurity! Ministry of Science and Technology calls for better management of laboratories, especially viruses

Wu Yuanbin, the director of the Department of Social Development and Science and Technology of the Ministry of Science and Technology, introduced at the State Council's joint defense and joint control press conference today (15th). Guidance on Biosafety Management of Virus High-level Virus Microbiology Laboratory.

Wu Yuanbin introduced that the "Opinions" requires the laboratory to play a platform role and serve the needs of scientific and technological research. At the same time, the competent authorities also emphasized the need to strengthen the management of laboratories, especially viruses, to ensure biosecurity.

Wu Yuanbin said that in the research of science and technology, both special affairs and special affairs were emphasized, as well as legal compliance, and ethical review and informed consent of related research should be strengthened, foreign expert protection during the epidemic situation should be well provided, and good services should be provided for enterprises.

Related topics: Focus on Wuhan's new coronavirus pneumonia epidemic

NEW: WHO says it no longer has a process to declare a pandemic, says old system with 6 phases is no longer being used - Reuters

What system DO they use then?

I've read this in a few places but I can't verify it's legitimacy

" There's a level 4 lab microbiology lab outside wuhan that some are saying in the source of the virus. But various academics have studied the genome and have dispelled this myth "

Ah, OK so it could have been a possibility I suppose as opposed to it being said for no reason at all iyswim.

You'd have though they might have mentioned that in a press conference weeks ago? So, if the who aren't ever going to use the word pandemic, then it's time for someone to call it, if only by the common definition of the term.