To be this upset over Caroline Flack?

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I just can't stop thinking about it. Has really knocked me sideways. Been sort of just floating around feeling weird about it all weekend.

Anyone else??

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-50084383

A police force that took nearly three hours to respond to a 999 call in the case of a man who stabbed his partner 173 times has been cleared of wrongdoing by the watchdog.

Jake Neate killed Suzanne Brown, 34, his partner of more than 10 years, at their home in Braintree in 2017.

The police response was delayed because the call was wrongly categorised by the initial handler, an IOPC report into the actions of Essex Police found.

The force said it had nothing to add.

Mr Neate's parents had contacted Essex Police from Spain to express concerns about the couple's safety but it was only after a second call that officers attended the scene to find Ms Brown dead.

'Weak outcome'
Mr Neate, 37, who had schizophrenia, was found unfit to stand trial but a trial of the facts found he was responsible for killing Ms Brown, in December 2017. He had been taken off an anti-psychotic drug two months before the killing, Chelmsford Crown Court heard.

He was given an indefinite hospital order earlier this year

Yes its tragic.
But I can't help wondering that this outpouring of grief is because she was pretty and well known. I feel just as much for those who are leaving hospital right at this moment who have just lost a loved one. Someone the world never knew, but someone loved loved by family. Their lives may not have been glamourous, they may not have been pretty, but they have/had just as much right to live as everyone else...and yet that persons passing goes by unnoticed. That to me is far more tragic.
I'm not being cold, but tragedy happens every second of our lives yet goes on unnoticed. That really is tragic.

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Samaritans are there to work through your feelings, especially around suicidal. We’ve had lots of calls from people who feel like you do

contentedsoul I agree with you

I don't understand why people in the public eye dont' employ someone to filter news headlines/ twitter comments / email etc.
Surely they already have staff who assist in their working lives.

It's not easy to see newspaper headlines unless you go to look for them.
I would have thought you'd have a very private email address / twitter name for friends only rather than just a public one where you see what the rabble has to say.

Apparently Billie Eilish had to come off Twitter since writing the Bond Theme. Typically, many hate success.

I think all age gap relationships are viewed with suspicion regardless of the gender make up. Particularly where one partner habitually seeks younger partners.

What I know is that the men my age who go on about needing a younger girlfriend due to their rampant virility and youthful appearance could not secure a relationship with a healthy woman of our age because we're over their bullshit.

Plenty of fit guys between say 37-45 who would have been age appropriate and aesthetically appealing as well as interested in her. It is true that guys that age have usually completed another maturing phase past puberty unlike your average guy in their late twenties with no real responsibilities but so should she be at that stage at 40.

It's terrible. But there are so many ordinary people who are suffering just as much as CF did.

Stop voting in a government that cuts mental health services and does things that cause people's MH to deteriorate would be my advice.

How about we don't just give sympathy because she was attractive and famous, how about we have empathy for all people in similar situations.

I agree 100% with the above.

As it's a person I'd never heard of, apparently presenting a programme I've never watched, I have been astounded at the amount of coverage, pages and pages!

I've been upset but have decided to try to put a positive spin on it by seeing if I can volunteer to train and man (woman!) the phones for a helpline like the Samaritans.

My personal take is that there's clearly an awful lot we don't know. The poor thing clearly had very serious mental health issues. She had all the money to go and get professional help, plus she lovely friends. We saw her on telly as this glowy, vibrant gal who we could easily be best friends and have a laugh with, yet behind closed doors she battled all this darkness.

If her death means the UK becomes more aware about mental health and stigmatises it less than that's no bd thing. The blame game and the anger is very unwise at this stage, for me, I'm trying to focus on what I can learn and how I can improve/ help people who are suffering with mental health issues.

Haha, I sound like an angel here but all of this has made me realise I'm not and could help people more maybe?

I don't know either of them and it isn't my business but I was confused about why the boyfriend dialled 999 and said she was trying to kill him, then backtracked afterwards? Maybe drunk?

Frownette

Why do lots of DV victims retract their statements and refuse to cooperate? Because they are scared, because they have Stockholm syndrome, because there are lots of other reasons. It's such a recognised phenomena that the law was changed to allow the police and CPS to continue with a prosecution even if the victim retracts, if there is enough independent evidence.

@Frownette a victim of domestic violence will play out that scenario an average of seven times before they either leave or are killed by their partner. They become convinced they ‘didn’t mean it’ or ‘it was their fault for making it happen’ or their partner ‘says they’ll change’

Maybe don't try to smash your boyfriends skull with a heavy vase.

He called the police asking for help because he was being attacked.

If the roles were reversed and he had attacked her, you would all be saying the bastard deserved everything he got.

She attacked her partner. She was a domestic abuser. She would have continued the abuse had the police not imposed bail conditions on her.

I hope he recovers ok

This is why I wouldn't want to be famous.

Even after her death people on social media are still ripping her apart. I wasn't a massive fan but it did make me feel sad. When I hear of anyone taking their own live it upsets me.

Nobody knows what happened that night. Yes we can have an opinion about DV. Just have some respect for her family and friends.

thecatsmiaow

That's a great idea.

The Sun have published a photo showing LB's head after the attack. There is barely a scratch and certainly no blood. If this is the case then it's an absolute tragedy that she felt she couldn't fight to clear her name.

The blood from the night she was fighting with her boyfriendb was carolines her family released an unreleased instagram message today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51557180

Yes, I had heard it was Caroline's and it seems like she self-harmed. Not quite the narrative we had been lead to believe.

An attack with a blunt instrument wouldn’t necessarily result in blood or broken skin.

I don’t believe the newly released statement on IG. Didn’t the ex boyfriend call the police fearing for his life saying that she was trying to kill him? Secondly didn’t she also admitted to the police on arrival that she did it? Thirdly didn’t her ex ex also allege DV and say that the arrest did not surprise him?

YABU. You never knew her. What is she to you? How many people kill themselves every year but she gets so much attention she doesn't deserve.