To be this upset over Caroline Flack?

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I just can't stop thinking about it. Has really knocked me sideways. Been sort of just floating around feeling weird about it all weekend.

Anyone else??

This is my point though even if it was a case I still think you feel satisfied that in the end she took her own life because of what she'd done. I dont feel like this.

@MargotB7 Yes I tried but she escaped justice but not after she made my life a living hell. This was a time when female on male DV was literally laughed over. She put me through everything, the physical and verbal abuse, the self harm, the threats of suicide, the phantom pregnancy and miscarriage. She had all the classic red flags of CF’s alleged lifestyle and traits. Thankfully these days the police and CPS treat cases differently.

I am so d sorry what you went through. My DV was a long time ago. I'm going to admit I punched him in the face once when I had had enough. My Mum witnessed this and luckily our relationship ended not long after this DV is awful. I still don't hate CF.

TheMaskedTulip

We will just have to agree to disagree.

Even on a thread like this there still so much misogyny

Was she a domestic abuser? Possibly. We don't know for certain, because she never made it to her trial.

Did she deserve the chance to redeem herself? Yes, of course she did. Everyone deserves a second chance. And I say this as someone who has been abused.

I agree with deleted post

All things considered they way this thread has gone is really depressing.

Agree @SinisterBunFacedCat

Bum even. Nearly time for bed.

@MargotB7 You asked me for my opinion on the CF case and I gave it to you. Not my problem if you have an issue with that. End of is not directed at you. It’s highlighting the fact that my opinion is no more and no less than my preceding sentence that I believe she escaped justice. I do wish you’d refrain from twisting my words. So yes let’s agree to disagree.

@TheMaskedTulip

The problem is that whatever you say now margotb7 has judged you,
and given that she is a fan of CF and the bekind movement that has pawned up around her, the irony of how she has responded shouldn't be lost on anyone.

@FrippEnos I totally agree with you. I have reported her postings calling me fucked up as I hope others do. Not sure how much clearer I can make my experience and opinions on DV to her.

Masked i am truly sorry you went through that.

The only abuse ive experienced was mild coercive control and financial abuse.

So i have the same reactions as you when i see clear cases of financial abuse on here

Like when someone wants their partner to contribute 50/50 even when the partner earns a lot less And it usually gets worse when a child is brought into the equation.

I feel the same. All week I've been so obsessed with it all. Reading her Instagram. Looking at her comments, pictures etc. To see her in a picture November, little did she know it would go this way as did everyone else. Its just so, so sad. Such a tragic loss.

We don't know whether she was guilty or not because her case hadn't yet got to trial, however the CPS clearly felt that the evidence was there.

In recent years however, there has been a huge push towards the #webelieveyou aimed at supporting victims who come forward before any trials have taken place. So, if we are saying that when women victims step forward and make allegations of a crime we will believe them BEFORE any trial gas taken place why aren't we doing the same for male victims?

I've seen people arguing that her charges shouldn't have been made public unless or until she had been found guilty. Well, ok, but then everyone else should get anonymity too and then many if the recent celebrity sex abuse cases possibly wouldn't have happened.

It's terribly sad that she died but I don't think that should mean that she should be deified in the way that's happening. All of the posts claiming that she was an amazing person and so on, no, she was clearly flawed and clearly had issues going on. Allegations were made and enough evidence was found to support a trial. Why should that be swept under the carpet just because she has since died?

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras Precisely, and well said. You’ve expressed my point more eloquently than I have. The whole rotten story is sad but she had serious allegations to answer. It will all come out in the inquest anyway and I suspect that a lot of posters on her defending the indefensible will be looking very foolish in their rose tinted glasses.

Well the answers to the allegations aren't going to come out as there will no longer be a trial. She's dead. What higher price can she pay? I don't know what some people will be satisfied with.

What will happen to the case now that she has died? Will the details be released following the inquest? Surely not as she hasn't had the chance to be properly defended. The press will turn it into a complete circus, no wonder she couldn't face it.

They'll probably release details of what drugs were in her system and of course police are investigating how it was handled but it's pretty much all over now.

I would have thought they'd offer support to her boyfriend.

I agree with everything that TheMaskedTulip has posted.

It CF hadn't been pretty and on telly or had been a man it would be a very different story.

I've never seen anything she was on, I've only known her from seeing newspaper pics of her stumbling out of clubs draped round a new younger boyfriend. I didn't even know she was a presenter tbh,I thought she was a rich girl,socialite type. So I'm looking at this with fresh eyes and no idea if she came across as 'nice' or not.

Nothing about her sounds 'nice' to me, saying that I am VERY sorry for her family,a member of my family commited suicide last year and I wish people would stop saying she needed support because you can offer all the support in the world if someone is in a bad place for whatever reason there's no stopping them. Saying that someone else pointed out that suicide is often a final act of an abuser as an act of control.

I feel the same about all this as I did about Peaches Geldof, I remember getting pounced on when she died on a thread as I suggested she was a drug addict and that's why she died,but oh no,she couldn't possibly be as pretty mothers can't possibly be addicts...

This feels the same ,I think there's a lot more to come out and a bigger story and people can't get their heads round the fact pretty,famous women can abuse men so they post #be kind nonsense all over social media.

I also don't feel entirely comfortable with mental illness being used as an excuse for DV.

I feel sorry for her family as I said and I hope this doesn't put people off reporting abuse which I'm afraid it might. It's no good blaming the police and CPS, if she was worried about what was on the bodycam ,you have to wonder what was recorded. I hope her boyfriend is getting lots of support.