Biological sex - a different view point

[ahenderson270]

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We don't often get the alternative side to the long-standing debate on here regarding biological sex to that presented in such a way that seems to without doubt, define male and female.

AIBU to ask if it's ok for us to try and consider beyond that? That perhaps if we try perhaps some middle ground can be discovered so the nasty name calling (TERF TRA etc ) can be put to bed and we can work towards unified solutions to issues affecting the 'person'?

actually no one fully knows their own actual biological sex without examining their own chromosomes and as such you, i nor anyone has any right to tell anyone else what their biological sex is
Think about this for a moment. You are right in a way that we don't analyse people's chromosomes and yet people who have female genitalia are discriminated against at every point in their lives and even before birth. So it is a moot point - we know that women are discriminated against. Even if we find out that a small proportion of those women have chromosomal differences what is the point? We don't need a new way of categorizing people. And in any case, there is no evidence that trans people are different at a chromosomal level.

And strictly speaking, if you have had a baby or caused a baby to be made, then your sex is determined, even if you have slightly unusual / defects in you chromosomes

TRA's co-option of people with intersex conditions has been going on for a very long time and it's shitty behaviour.

From the 60's to about the mid 90's they used it as a way of distancing themselves from gay people - 'We are not homosexual, we have intersex of the brain!' From the mid 90's onwards, it's been more about pretending sex does not exist.

In 2000 no less than 4 intersex organisations had cause to politely tell GIRES to fuck off with their forced teaming offensive.

AISSG statement
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CAH group statement
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In Bernard Reed's 'sorry' letter he also says:

The organisations supporting intersex people and their parents are rightly protective of their members and were suspicious of my reason for approaching them. My pushing to establish a dialogue with them merely stiffened their resistance. Separately I have apologised to AISSG for being importunate towards them. I must leave it to them to decide what part of my recent correspondence with them to make public.

I have already expressed my regrets to ISNA and CISAE for their having been misled about GIRES' claims and intentions. I hope that my previous responses and this latest message will give them all the reassurance they need.

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It was this issue which led to the split between Press For Change and GIRES (GIRES was originally the charity arm of PFC):

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'Female people who have gestated male foetuses often have identifyable groupings of male cells'

The conclusion in the context of the rest of that post then means that all women who have given birth to boys are intersex?

Or what was the point supposed to be 😃

'If someone wants to identify as a fruit salad and that makes them happy, comfortable and they're not hurting anyone else, who am I to shit on their parade?'

Would make for interesting times when they were served up for dessert 🤣🤣🤣

Everybody knows what a woman is. Everybody came out of a woman.