Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To wonder how some women have it sooo easy...

518 replies

Elderflowerasusualthxs · 04/02/2020 01:31

Aibu? Or just jealous? I don't know but how did they make it?
Such an easy life! Cleaners, gardeners. Huge countryside houses and sometimes second homes by the sea.
A caring and loving husband, good looking and wealthy. No need to work for the rest of their lives. Kids privately educated. Enjoying wonderful holidays in different places and cultures and so on...
They exist and just hit the jackpot or there is a secret that most of us don't know?! I met a pair of them last year by chance through my son's extra curricular activities.
So many of us don't have it like that and I know life can be challenging and unfair at times but they seem to have it all.
Can I have the recipe please? Thank you.

OP posts:
Lovemornings · 05/02/2020 23:41

I’m probably one of those people you describe - big house, holidays, cleaner, gardener, plain Smile. Currently SAHM as when we both had big jobs, there wasn’t enough emotional slack to cope with life especially with young kids.
I realise I’m lucky but in many ways I was happier in a smaller house, and working. In terms of career, I took the hit for the team, with all of the associated anxieties about loss of earning potential, pension and purpose. Our marriage and kids’ happiness probably wouldn’t have survived the stress of both of us working long hours so I’m not resentful... it is what it is. Sometimes I wish it had been different and I’m looking forward to finding a new career once the kids’ early years are over as life can feel directionless and frivolous. (I’m working on this! Hard to find a new direction that doesn’t encroach too much on my family/ home responsibilities!)

We achieved this lifestyle by having kids late in life, working bloody hard in earlier years, and getting on the property ladder early on, with help, with multiple properties. This was made possible by borrowing the deposit from parents - paid back in full, quickly, but the purchase wouldn’t have been possible at such an early stage without them. Being pushed through to university by their expectations is another factor, without which the well-paid job wouldn’t have materialised. Another factor for success is having an ability to deal with inordinate amounts of stress at work, since big jobs demand this. In our case it is DH that has this - I couldn’t do his job, it would keep me awake at night and I’d be sick with stress, making tough decisions, holding one’s nerve, quite apart from needing to be at the top of your game all the time and really nailing it all... there’s a reason why not everyone gets to the top. No way could I do that, particularly after having kids, although it might have been a possibility without them. Still - rather him than me! 😀

Btw, this much I know - having a big house isn’t brilliant. Of course it’s a lovely space, great for entertaining, blah blah blah. Looks great from the outside! But having multiple spare rooms is a vanity and an extravagance particularly in a world in which we should all be looking at our carbon footprint. I’ve lived in both and give me a small, cosy house over a big house that it feels wasteful to heat, any day! Also my identity has changed - and not how I would want it to. I find it odd being introduced to people as the woman who lives in that house. Glorious as it is, I’m looking forward to downsizing.

Of course it is great being able to pay for home help. With a large house you need to love doing housework and DIY, or be comfortable with a lot of mess, or be comfortable with having staff. I would probably be happier if we had more help, but I’ve had au pairs, live-in housekeepers, etc before, and I don’t want my kids growing up with it. Would you really want your kids to grow up with chauffeurs, gardeners, housekeepers, etc? Really? Personally I want my kids to learn to pull their own socks up rather than telling someone else to do it for them! Recruiting and managing home staff and running a big house is a job in itself (bet no-one grew up wanting to do that for a living! Actually quite depressing when you realise that that is what you do and who you are!) and it’s all an expense and responsibility. Money is not limitless and when the big bills come in, we overspend vs our income. Obviously you can’t moan about any of this for fear of being a spoilt bitch, so you can’t share your worries with many people and this can be quite isolating. Possibly why I am ranting here - apologies for obviously 1st world problems.

Having great holidays - yes! Absolutely no downsides to this!

In terms of happiness, though, what counts is DH and our kids. Any problems here and the rest would be meaningless.
There have been a few suicides recently amongst acquaintances - mainly successful men. DH tells me that this has sparked conversation amongst the group that they feel under pressure to continue to uphold a lifestyle that they themselves are too busy to enjoy. They’ve reached the top, it’s extremely stressful (although occasionally rewarding), and where to next? Decades more of the same? 😬 Lots of people being made redundant - pretty scary with giant mortgages and expensive lifestyles to maintain! And of the wives, I see many people looking happy and perfect but know that many have underlying troubles, marriage issues, hideous work stress, sadness over kids, health issues. Of course life is easier with the convenience and help that money can buy. However, it can’t buy everything that matters and lives that look perfect from the outside can be anything but.

Elderflowerasusualthxs · 06/02/2020 00:04

@Lovemornings Very interesting to read x

OP posts:
keffie12 · 06/02/2020 00:50

I was one of those type of people op! My childhood was the same. All that glitters is not necessarily gold.

All looked well in our nice professional middle class family and extended as a child. Guess what? I grew up and recreated it.

My childhood was full of secrets, lies and violence. Mom couldn't leave dad cos of her middle class background. I was born to ensure that didn't happen.

I do have a story which reads like a historical novel over 4 generations.

I grew up and married a man worse than my dad who was also alcoholic yet provided etc etc.

To cut a long story short hy the time I took the youngsters and fled my mental health was screwed.

We walked the fires of hell with the aftermath. I went on to meet my 2nd husband and the dad he didnt have to be to mine who is so different to everything I had even had before him

We live in a lovely council home, I'm registered disabled though mobile, I have learnt to manage my mental health rather than it manage me.

I am Mom, wife, Granna and so on. I have far less today materially and financially. Yet I have enough. I also have what money can't buy, peace of mind and serenity

Things are frequently not as they seem on the surface

Mick15 · 06/02/2020 01:38

Don’t judge- everyone has a story and most have struggles you can’t imagine regardless of money. Money May remove some struggles but some problems are beyond money and most things that are truly meaningful you can’t buy. I’d give all the money I have for my health, my husband’s health and my daughters mental health. No amount of money changes that. Be grateful for what you have and see the good in every day- it’s changed my mental well being to focus on the positive, not in a happy clapping way but rationally thinking of the good things that money can’t buy that we can experience and where we can get joy!

OhTheRoses · 06/02/2020 02:43

Lovemornings surely if the big bills hurt and there are whacking mortgages and it could all crumble there isn't much substance behind the style.

What's the issue with growing up with gardeners, drivers, cleaners, nannies/au-pairs?

TheGlitterFairy · 06/02/2020 07:05

Luck, hard work and a good education.
DH and I met a couple of decades ago - both Uni educated, weren’t self destructive when younger. He has a business that he’s built from scratch; I work FT currently. No children (infertility - so not all roses in the garden). Couple of properties; holidays overseas a few times a year. Business travel. We both work very hard and at some point in the future both won’t need to.
I have friends who say they wouldn’t “put up” with his working hours / workaholic tendencies/ working on honeymoon (!) etc which is fine - they don’t need to and they don’t have the above!!
We have a longer term view on our life that at some point in the not too distant future won’t include working for either of us - and both very happy with this.

Lilygreen42 · 06/02/2020 08:39

I sometimes feel envious of other people's success, but there's one thing that keeps me going - they don't have my brain! I know it sounds boastful, but our brains are individual and no matter how successful someone is, you can't buy your brain.

This shows itself through my language skills - I can speak 2 foreign languages fluently and have a good working knowledge of one more and I can understand two others. I like to write comedy sketches, just for fun, maybe in the future for a living, who knows? I enjoy acting, for fun and am good at different voices and I also like to sing, but I'm no Shirley Bassey!

I have very little materially, just half a house which I'm going to have to sell soon to pay out my ex.

But don't think I'd be very good at organising large houses, can barely cope with a small one!

I have my children and my dog and some good family members, so that's enough for me. I love to travel and hope to do more in the not too distant future - maybe working holidays?

So cherish your brain. My Mum has dementia now and isn't the person she was. She was an avid reader and had lots of opinions about everything. Now she will just flick through a magazine and watches comedy programmes or programmes on animals. She has no short term memory, so you can't ask her about Megs n Harry or Bojo! So value your brain while you have it!

yoopla · 06/02/2020 08:57

I agree with a pp that having a big swanky house isn't actually that brilliant. There's a lot more of it to look after, and it doesn't have much positive impact on your daily life.

Most of the time you're actually just doing the same shit but in a bigger room. So we're watching TV in a massive living room, or playing board games in a massive kitchen. The quality of the experience is not worth the cost of the house imo!

BringOnTheBotox · 06/02/2020 09:08

I do know some women that set out to marry a wealthy man and wouldn't have 'settled' for anyone who didn't have money. None of these women had successful careers or their own wealth beforehand, they just did minimum wage unskilled jobs. In a way, the 'wealthy partner' thing has been like their career choice.

One woman that I know has three daughters in their 20s and she has always encouraged all of them to be with someone wealthy, and they have all done just that. One in particular, the youngest, is only 24 and already has two kids with a wealthy bloke in his early 40s. She loves showing off her big house, Louboutins, mulberry bags, Maldives holidays etc, but I'm not sure whether or not she's actually happy with him. He is well known locally for being a bit of a player and a womaniser so who knows!

endlessstrife · 06/02/2020 09:39

and most likely bored and miserable too. Love, health and happiness are the most important things. The grass is rarely greener n the other side.

JosefKeller · 06/02/2020 13:03

We need to put this thread in "classic" and send all the posters moaning they can't afford school uniform, can't afford holidays, are stuck in shitty and unsafe accommodation, can't find a job...

Really, they just need to realise THEY are so much happier and money makes you miserable and mentally unwell Grin

Summergarden · 06/02/2020 13:44

My situation is very similar to Lovemornings’ above. Particularly relating to the giving up work element, I could have written it word for word!

We’ve actually chosen not to live in a huge house, though. DH sometimes suggests it, but I’m not keen on the idea of lots of empty rooms to clean ad heat and would feel a bit silly and ostentatious having lots of spare bedrooms unless we also had loads of kids to fill them.

When I met DH, who is now a high earner and sold a business that he partly owned, I was 22 and he was 24 and he was painfully shy with women. He worked in a male dominated industry so wasn’t used to spending much time with them, also had no sisters. He was also a virgin, and I’ve read threads on MN before where plenty of women have said they’d refuse to date a virgin. Well, it didn’t deter me and things have worked out pretty well all these years later. A happy marriage, 3 kids, he appreciates that I gave up my career to put the kids first as he travels so much for work he had to take a backseat with it. Most of the time I haven’t minded too much bit when my youngest starts school I’ll probably do voluntary work or look for a part time role.

I look after the finances at home, DH trusts me to invest our money however I see fit and it’s a relief not to have to worry about money as in parts of my childhood we were in a precarious situation with my DPs in debt etc. But other worries are still there, money doesn’t eradicate them.

When I first met DH I actually earned slightly more than him. But I could tell he was ambitious, enjoyed his work in a geeky field with high earning potential. I’ve supported and encouraged him all the way, to take risks when it meant using up every penny we had saved in an emergency account to buy a business when the opportunity arose, to work abroad for weeks at a time even when my babies were tiny etc.

Popper456 · 06/02/2020 13:45

Uv been watching too many movies. A small minority of people have this life. If u spend ur time looking at them ull miss the wonderful happening in front of u.
It's the hand ur dealt make the best of it.

EngagedAgain · 06/02/2020 13:46

@Lilygreen42, a good point there.

EngagedAgain · 06/02/2020 13:53

Where one lives is an important factor to happiness, and if someone is living somewhere that makes them unhappy, with no way of getting anywhere better, life can be grim. In that respect money does being choices.

OJZJ · 06/02/2020 14:29

Elderflower I get your pain and could have written this myself, I feel sorry for my son as his new school is full of privilege(cleaners and gardeners are standard even amongst people with what I would have classed as fairly low earners ie nhs lower end of the pat sector not drs) and he has none of this so I know he will achieve less and have lower esteem and have to work twice as hard to get anywhere than his peers and it breaks my heart esp ad he has to work twice as hard to underachieve academically and socially already due to his birth mum inflicting lifelong brain damage on him. I am also an underachieve and spend more time at medical appts than I do sleeping for the last few years, I am just grateful I don't use food banks or am homeless in this weather etc

Funguy · 06/02/2020 14:48

I think sometimes if you go to a wonderful posh school your expectations are higher and so you take it for granted that things should be absolutely perfect for you.
I do know women like this.I work with them due to he demographic of my part time job. One child, massive house, no cooking or cleaning,clever and handsome hubby etc etc.
But mostly they seem a bit empty to be honest... and unpleasantly judgemental, and... dare I say it, square.
They also have to 'fit in', which I am rubbish at. They go on and on about coffee tables, grey walls, new kitchen..
I know one who is always on the hunt for admiration... she can't get enough. I know several who have anxiety conditions...
One or two, their husbands may not be all that nice...
I am disabled and mostly in pain. I have a nice lovely ( poor) partner who works his butt off( so do I).His family boasts these sort of women though...
But I would rather be us and be me.

amispeakingenglish · 06/02/2020 15:04

comparing you life to those worse off (collecting body parts) is just a way of trying to make yourself feel better, no it's not fair at all that some have to struggle, never get birthday presents let alone a weekend in a posh hotel. It doesn't make it better to say think of those worse off. Plus we don't have to think of what might be happening behind closed doors, that's just another way of trying to soften the blow!! Everything is probably fine, some do have charmed lives, not earned, (why should that be a prerequisite?) Just by luck.

girlicorne · 06/02/2020 15:07

I can’t think of anything worse than living off a rich man and never having to work again. I am proud to be financially independent and have my own career, living off a rich man would make me bored and miserable.

Standandwait · 06/02/2020 15:43

I agree with OP and I'm one of the lucky women she describes. A lot in life is totally unfair, inexplicable luck. And more and more so these days as things like jobs, university applications, all that, become winner-take-all, so that having even a very slight edge in talent or background or effort can make you multiple times richer than someone who just barely barely came second.

I'm not good-looking and I came from a very poor background. DH and I were 18 when we met and neither of us could have predicted he would do so well. In retrospect there were some things that might explain it. He isn't at all academic (most of the people I see who've done well in business and finance seem to be if anything less intelligent than the brightest, who became artists, teachers, nurses and librarians). But he came from what at the time seemed to me like a quite rich background (public school and Oxbridge) -- now I see his family weren't all that rich, but in that generation private school fees were proportionately much lower and university was free, but his privileges were certainly enough to make me feel put off and suspicious for a long time, shall we say. He was very foreign to me and his family were not at all delighted by me.

On the other hand he was (and is) a very kind, moral, trustworthy man. I do think that helped him do well in work -- people do prefer to hire/work with people they like and trust. And it is certainly the reason I fell for him.

It is also true he works very, very hard it always strikes me as hilarious on MN when other women suggest their husbands should take time off because they're ill he carries two phones and answers them any time of the day or night, I had to give up work in the end to support his career, he has gained lots of weight from stress and lack of time to exercise, he spends at least half the year away on work trips, etc etc. He also never, ever gives up -- I think this is partly a function of his self-confidence, but he's also just very tough; when he meets a check he gets right back up and keeps on trying till he gets what he wants. (That IS how he got me!) But I look around me and I see plenty of much poorer people who work much harder (manual) jobs that wreck their bodies by the time they're 50, or more necessary jobs like looking after refugees, the elderly, the disabled. Including my own sister, by the way, whom we regularly have to bail out with subsidies in between our multiple foreign holidays.

So it is really luck: partly that he was one of the few who made it near the top, partly that his job field (finance, of course) became inexplicably better-paid and more respected in a way that couldn't have been predicted when we were younger.

And yes, money really is a good thing to have. When I couldn't get pregnant, we were able to fund 10 years of fertility treatments to have two and adopted a third, which was even more expensive. (Lots and lots of lawyers!) When one of the DC then turned out to be quite seriously disabled, we could pay for private schooling till our lawyers managed to force the local education authority to issue a statement. When I then became terribly depressed, and was ultimately diagnosed with an auto-immune disease, we could pay for cleaners and nannies at home to cope when I was struggling to get out of bed, for mental-health counselling and for private medicine when needed (though quite honestly I'd always recommend the NHS for better medical care, despite delays and red tape). I think the money also has bought me a sense of safety that I would not otherwise have had (even though leaving my own job in other ways undermined my self-worth), because I mostly feel not afraid of bolshy people pushing me around or situations we can't afford.

So what have I learned?

  1. It's not true that rich people are usually not nice. Most of them are very nice, actually. Feeling secure and successful makes people happy. This is true in marriage as well: sex and money are the two most common causes for fights between couples, and one of those has been largely wiped out. It's not my experience that rich men marry dumb pretty women and then bully them to stay slim and young; some may, just as some blue-collar workers may, but the ones we know have mostly married for love. Sometimes to secretaries, but then the financial world remains heavily male-dominated, so who else do they meet? And what's wrong with secretaries? -- the ones I've met have often been at least as bright and organised as their husbands. And the husbands are very dependent on their wives for shelter from the pressure of their careers.

2.Most people, at least in western democracies, are rich through their own earnings nowadays and not inheritance. Yes, some people have real advantages of schooling, and therefore confidence, but longer life expectancies and taxation mean we don't know anyone who's actually inherited much, and those who may will get it late enough that it will be dwarfed by their own lifetime earnings. Okay, there's Tamara Ecclestone, but even her father was self-made. But see above: the fact that you've "earned" so much money doesn't necessarily mean you deserve so much more than everyone else. Some rich people do gradually forget this.

  1. Money may not buy happiness, but it can help prevent a lot of unhappiness. I find people who claim money doesn't matter are the people who've never not had at least some money. Sure, we may still suffer losses, stillbirths, infertility, domestic abuse, illness; but not any more often than people without money, and when we do the money can help us.
  1. Not only is our world unfair, but it feels like it's getting worse. The concept of "meritocracy" implies that people who haven't succeeded in earning money are to blame for their own "failure," they're somehow less worthy. And the world is increasingly winner-takes-all: you're either rich or you're struggling, with seemingly little in between. It's harder to get into Oxbridge. It's harder to find a first job. Housing costs more. Even for people with my background (not to hijack the thread, but I was a refugee with my father as a teenager) things are much harder now: if I were now in the situation I was in at 14, chances are high I would spend all of my life in a refugee camp with little access to education, jobs, or even basic safety. International law defines refugees surprisingly narrowly (how many of you realise that people fleeing war in Syria are not legitimate asylum seekers under the UN definition?) and countries, which have the latitude to enforce those laws, are increasingly harsh in their interpretation.

So yeah, my husband and I look at each other pretty much every day and ask each other, "How did we get so lucky?" Sometimes he does, in truth, get grumpy and say he's earned his luck, but I am always here reminding him, we are lucky lucky lucky. I really do wish the rest of you luck too!

waterlego · 06/02/2020 16:51

it always strikes me as hilarious on MN when other women suggest their husbands should take time off because they're ill -- he carries two phones and answers them any time of the day or night, I had to give up work in the end to support his career, he has gained lots of weight from stress and lack of time to exercise

Do you worry about his health at all? I think I would 😕

SummerPavillion · 06/02/2020 16:57

Such a fascinating thread. I must admit it's made me less jealous of the superficial signs of wealth. But it's made me more aware of what's most important to me and lacking (a nice partner).

We must all be kind to each other because we never know what other people are going through.

I've been holding back tears all day (about losing my husband) on the school run and at work, and no one who saw me would guess as I'm well-presented and walk tall. But the occasional smile from a stranger can mean the world when you're that close to the edge.

Standandwait · 06/02/2020 16:57

Yes, I do. Several of his friends have literally dropped dead of strokes or heart attacks in the past few years. Sad But he loves his job, he really does.

Imbo1c · 06/02/2020 17:01

Wow. Long post but a broad experience of life. I agree that it is not true that rich people arent good. It is not that simple. I went to private school but had a very hard life. I was in an abusive relationship. Now my life is ok. My parents helped me escape but they also created the text book low self esteem people pleaser that i was. And being in the bottom stream at a private school does nothing for one's confidence! I felt like the bottom of the food chain. I felt like pond life, but MORE self-conscious about it because I had cousins who were barristers and friends who did masters and married men they met on the debating team or the rowing team. I work with a "squeezed middle" type and I find her comments harder on the nerves than the breezy insouciance of the truly rich! Not sure that makes any sense! Probably not.

waterlego · 06/02/2020 17:16

Standandwait I hope he’ll be able to retire or semi-retire before too long!