Amber Heard and Depp audio

[MargeB]

Am I the only one sickened by the latest audio of Amber admitting to physically assaulting Depp? Calling him a baby, her excuse being she gets 'so mad sometimes', and how hitting him in the face wasnt a punch because she didn't 'deck' him. Im sorry, she's vile.

And shame on all the MN posters over the past few years calling for Depp to be cancelled and how disgusted everyone was that he still had a career.

Those of us who tried to urge caution were shouted down as defenders of a wife beater. I hope those expressing their disgust have a long hard look at them selves, or better listen to the audio.

Shes trash, and to think Depps kids have been bullied on social media for sticking up for him, whilst he was being abused by that horrible woman.

I've had quite a bit of experience with violent men.

And one I have seen got aggressive was totally circumstantial, after being hit and goaded himself... And wound up by someone who specialised in winding people up.

The other 2 were inherently violent and were aggressive to any women they became close with.

I always felt jd was actually the former... But really who actually knows!

@messolini9

Disseminating articles which use the offensive phrase "openly gay" propogates homophobia

I'm presenting the articles that Google gives me, how can I edit the Journalistic content?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3633240/amp/Police-officer-accused-homophobia-Amber-Heard-s-ex-girlfriend-2009-domestic-violence-arrest-identified-gay.html

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/homophobic-arrested-heard-2009-openly-gay-report-article-1.2666985%3foutputType=amp
www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11654224

I'm not interested in your example of the Officer in question anyway

There it is, the officers own opinion is irrelevant.
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Maintaining that an arrest could not have been predicated by homophobic sentiments because an Officer who is gay was present is exactly the same as pretending that a vexatious stop & search of a black citizen was not racially motivated because a black Officer was presen

That's a reach! My point is the "victim" of Ambers dv said the officer was homophobic, the officer has denied this. Why does that mean the we must believe Amber & her girlfriend over the officer? Why is this particular police officer denied a voice & should be silenced because some police officers are homophobic & racist?

@messolini9 do you normally shut down debate by name calling?

@MargeB The point is you are gleefully attacking people who took the understandable path of defending the woman. NO ONE should ever be 'ashamed' for believing the woman. No one. Your gleeful joy at this clip (which may or may not be fake) is sickening. The clip (if real) doesn't really prove anything except that both were abusers in an abusive relationship. It does not exonerate Heard or Depp. At least one woman every week is killed by her male partner. Lets not use this as some sort of smug and gleeful pass for men who bash and kill their partners. Because that is still far far far more common than a woman lying about being abused and bashed.

No, what it proves is that Heard has made a mockery of being a spokesperson for actual DV victims and made it 100x harder, due to her lies. Which is unforgivable. And the hoardes of haters who wanted Depp burnt at the stake and bullied his kids on social media because of this woman's lies, is a disgrace! And MN posters joined in the witch hunt. Ok?

Heard saying 'i can't promise i won't get physical again' is sickening. Then debating for 3 mins whether her hitting him in the face was a punch or not. Thats ok? Her mocking tones, its disgusting.

Her admitting she attacks him because she gets so mad sometimes. Thats ok yeah? If a guy was saying that, we'd be fine with it? Its ok, he just has anger issues. It wasnt really a punch because it didn't knock her out? Wake up, shes a horrible person and she deserves to be outed for being an abuser. End of story. There are actual DV victims who she is letting down by her atrocious behaviour.

Does anyone else not understand?

NO one has expressed a position of
But I question the motivation of people whose position is - 'we need to listen to Depp's ex but not listen to Amber's'

It’s not the word of one ex versus another ex. Or a she said, she said situation because there no evidence that one ex is lying but there is ample evidence showing the other ex to be a liar.

It’s an ex saying JD was not violent plus zero arrests for DV or any reports by third party witnesses the he did DV against any partner
Versus
The only ex saying AH was not violent has been proven to be lying because AH was witnessed abusing her in public, to point AH was arrested and sent to court for DV.

If you cannot see that the position is more complex than a she said she said situation then you should probably excuse yourself from jury duty.

I get the impression that they’re both unpleasant people anyway but as a couple they were utterly toxic and apparently abusive to each other.

Assuming this definitely audio is AH and JD, it shows AH to be abusive but doesn’t prove JD hasn’t been abusive.

Maintaining that an arrest could not have been predicated by homophobic sentiments because an Officer who is gay was present is exactly the same as pretending that a vexatious stop & search of a black citizen was not racially motivated because a black Officer was present.

Yes I suppose it is remotely possible that a gay police officer could be openly homophobic but it is in fact highly improbable and therefore more likely for a gay police officer to actually be more tolerant towards single sex couples and therefore AHs assault was more likely to have been actual DV than a tap on the arm.

Plus for the homophobic argument to work, all the witnesses in the airport who called the police and the security guards who first responded must also have been openly homophobic and had malicious intent. What are the odds of that? Million to one?

GlummyMcGlummerson: You should get a life! To be involved and judgemental over a few words is so pathetic! Get a life! She said, he said, and some very devious people would slap themselves to fake being beaten up. Or tape this and that just to set a trap for police to see.

Get a life!

@PlanDeRaccordement now don't you go bringing common sense into this!

Has anybody seen the bit about Depp's scurity team (who she didnt know were meters away) seeing Heard shouting 'stop hitting me jonny' and 'fabricting a confrontation' when he wasnt even anywhre near the room? Whats all that about?

Wow just listened to thats long tape.

Sounds like an utterly juvenile relationship, simply arguing then talking about the arguing.
Such a same.
He sounds very rational and reasonable to me and utterly in love.
I doubt she loved him at all from that.
However I can also imagine he did not shut her down and not allow her to be critical or upset.
What's crystal clear is that she is a very angry violent person and he has tried two diffuse the situation, walk away away.. And stay away...

All the fighting for the wedding stuff what was that all about

The fact that she has positioned herself as a spokesperson for victims of domestic violence, while she (has admitted) she regularly committed domestic violence, is sick. I sincerely hope she faces justice.

@WeSavedSallySally maybe he wasn't as keen to get married?

Yes maybe, it just sheds new twist. I'm not that invested but at the time I thought he was more keen on her....

Plus for the homophobic argument to work, all the witnesses in the airport who called the police and the security guards who first responded must also have been openly homophobic and had malicious intent. What are the odds of that? Million to one?

Or - & some of you may find this radical - nobody at the airport, including any arresting/intervening officer, had a hidden gender-political agenda, as they were busy responding to an unpleasant scene between 2 women in a sensible manner?

Oh FGS, she’s a hypocrite, they were a car crash together, the whole thing’s a shit show, neither of them is innocent, but she damn sure shouldn’t be the poster girl for DV charities.

Done?

I'm presenting the articles that Google gives me, how can I edit the Journalistic content?
By choosing not to present biased content.

I'm not interested in your example of the Officer in question anyway
There it is, the officers own opinion is irrelevant.
No, YOUR EXAMPLE is not interesting.
I have no idea of the Officer's opinion, because as previously stated, your link to the article quoting her is broken. So I can't say how relevant her opinion is - can say it's more relevant than any PP's though, as she was there, & we were not.

My point is the "victim" of Ambers dv said the officer was homophobic, the officer has denied this.
OK. Thanks for finally giving a clear precis of the article you cited, which I cannot read as its link is broken.

Why does that mean the we must believe Amber & her girlfriend over the officer?
It doesn't. Who, in this instance, is claiming it should?

Why is this particular police officer denied a voice & should be silenced because some police officers are homophobic & racist?
Again, who - in this instance - are you saying is denying the Officer her voice?
I haven't even seen her own words, as your link is broken, & while she's probably the most interesting & valid person to comment on the incident, I CBA to google it as I'm simply not interested in a spat between 2 privileged women who can afford to buy their way out of trouble.
Or at all surprised that a volatile & attention-seeking celeb like Heard could be positioning herself as a 'victim' with no care or thought about the impact that might have on the Officer's life & career.

messolini9 do you normally shut down debate by name calling?
@doolallylala, can you show me where debate has been shut down, & who has been called a name?
Nice effort with the loaded questioning technique though! -
& very apposite to the thread, given that it's basically media training 101 based on the old courtroon cliche - www.throughlinegroup.com/2011/09/19/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife/

Oh FGS, she’s a hypocrite, they were a car crash together, the whole thing’s a shit show, neither of them is innocent, but she damn sure shouldn’t be the poster girl for DV charities.

Done? Ye Dogs @BiscuitBarrels, so done.

A few PP's deliberate misunderstandings, offence-brandishings & comprehension challenges here are more exhausting than some of the days I spent escaping DV.
Cheers Biscuit, bye Felicias.

As an online community, mumsnet seems to know a lot more and understand a lot more about the complex nature of domestic abuse and domestic violence then most, so I am very surprised to read some of these posts here.

I think firstly, it seems this was a very toxic relationship all round and thank God for both of them that it's over. With any other relationship, child free and assets split, the best thing for both of them would be to move on, stay away from each other, maybe get some help if they need it..... But this has become more complicated than that. They both seem to want to walk away with their reputation intact, blameless. It just does not seem to be that simple.

An ex of mine was so skillful at playing the loveable, gentle giant who would never hurt a fly. I would rise to it, every time, because I was just being myself - reacting naturally and organically, I wasn't playing a part or trying to deceive; he was. He knew what to say and how to act when no-one else was around, and more importantly when there were witnesses - he destroyed my character. For years. It even affected my employment opportunities, the way my family thought of me, my closest friends, it was a long time before people began to see the truth, because he would wind me up to cry or lash out in public, then play the hurt, innocent puppy dog....

Is this what jonny did? I don't know. He is, after all, famous for ACTING.

Is Amber guilty!? It seems really important for both of them to clear their name, more important than moving on, anyway.

I myself personally just think, stay away from each other, make films, whatever.....

@rabbitwoman have you listened to the audio?

I believed her. After hearing her in that audio (and yes I listened to the whole thing) I don't for a second believe she feared for her life.

The entire audio revolves around her being extremely frustrated that he "runs away" every time they fight and he doesn't stay and fight. It's now obvious why he leaves as he didn't want things to become physical. She's also really annoyed that she always has to make the first move after their fights and he points out why would I want to come to you when you throw stuff at me? Pots and pans (which she admits to) and she says that's irrelevant and that he isn't fighting for their relationship.

The night before the recording she had physically assaulted him (which she admits too although denies punching him but says 'yes I was hitting you') he called his friend over as he didn't want to be alone with her and he asks why she lied to him (the friend) about being violent and she responded with "Oh yeah you text your friend to come and save you, why don't you fuck off and fucking jerk him off" and calls him a baby. She is gas lighting and manipulative and while I don't believe he is blameless, she honestly sounds terrifying in this audio.

How anyone can listen to it and defend her I don't know. She rips him to shreds and yet while they speak of her being violent to him on a regular basis which she admits to there is next to nothing in the way of her accusing him of the same.

i have listened to the audio. and seen the video of him smashing up their kitchen in a temper. it seems to me that they have both escaped this toxic relationship and they are both able to move on from this, and it should no longer be anyone's business. that might be the end of it for any other couple; however, even though they have divorced, they are still fighting for their reputations; ending the relationship is not enough, they both still want to come through it with their reputation intact, and with the blame for any wrongdoing firmly on the other person. they are both firmly accusing the other person.

Either one of them is lying and it is all the fault of the other - or it is more complicated than that. this is because of their Hollywood carers - other actors have done much worse and still has successful carers, others have lost work and income from much less. i am not a particular fan of hers, she has always seemed a bit boring on screen, whereas i love jonny and his films - that does not inform my opinion. I just hope they can both move on and find happiness and success in their own way. my opinion is that is what they both need right now. this further court battle is just damaging to everyone involved.