To wonder why so many people are hostile to 'woke' things?

[malificent7]

Isn't the definition...aware of and against injustice in society especially racism?
Why are so many turning against progressive attitudes atm and aibu to think people almost revel in political incorrectness nowadays?
Megan and Harry are criticised for being too 'woke' as she does yoga and they like animals etc.
Likewise millenuals are sneered at for being woke and snowflakey.
Well i am proud to be woke...better than the opposite.

Formermousemat just curious, what are you now?

Joking aside, can you give us an example please?

@AutumnRose1

I was melted down and made in to several coasters.

A recent example for me would be the latest Star Wars film. I don't want to spoil the plot because there may be people here who want to see it and haven't. There was a lot of effort on the part of the makers of that film to promote it as a progressive feminist film and that the main character Rey should be an example for young women etc, etc.

However the character makes some questionable relationship choices in the film that are very much not progressive, even dangerous.

It's that sort of thing that irritates me, when it's just a marketing ploy to make money and they aren't sincere about the values they claim to promote.

Formermousemat a noble transformation indeed.

Oh I see, yes. I tend to see all marketing as insincere though.

The fact that someone decorated cupcakes like vaginas bends my head more than anything!!! Wtf!!!!

OP - more than the idea that people would be upset it wasn't "inclusive"?

For me “woke” tends to mean blind allegiance to a raft of ideas that adherents can rarely explain or defend in any detail. Any attempt to discuss these ideas is closed down with allegations of male/white/bourgeois/western privilege or racism/sexism/transphobia etc.

Healthy societies do not work like that.

I met a woke woman at my nieces wedding. I was wearing heels and she started to go on about how she hadn’t worn heels as a statement as it subjugated women. Whilst looking down her nose at me for letting down the sisterhood. She then started to try and educate me about gender ID, all because I had worn heels. I smiled sweetly she thought I needed educating on all things femInist. She went on a rant and was mighty pleased with herself. I then informed her I had been a trade union activist for years and had run a women’s group almost 30 years ago and been verbally abused for doing so at the time and had received some hate mail through the internal post system. That I had helped write local government equal opportunities policies when they were first coming in to place and had been involved with the equal pay for work of equal value campaign when women were openly paid less. That I was one of only four women on a trade union committee of almost forty men, it was a large local authority and many were openly hostile towards us. But yes berate me for wearing what I want.

Deeds not words!

When I've tried to bring up the issues facing my community I just end up getting shouted down with "WHITE PRIVILEGE!". These people don't even bother to look up the stats regarding educational outcomes, incarceration, life expectancy, age demographics etc of travellers. They know nothing of our history, nothing of the oppression we have faced and continue to face but yet feel qualified to tell us we should shut up.

This does not surprise me in the slightest. Identity politics lacks any kind of class or materialist analysis. It is only interested in what you look like and who you sleep with.

Nobody my age wants to be lectured by a teenager on what words we may or may not use

Yep this.

@malificent7

I hope you are not BIPOC! If so, proclaiming to be “woke” is deeply offensive and racist. You’d be appropriating what is clearly African-American term - you’d have no right to do that! If you’re white you need to say “I’m awake” not “I’m woke”.

Oaken I don’t even know if that’s a joke or not.

PS I just googled BIPOC and I’m BIPOC apparently.

I’m indigenous to here according to my mum.

People are disgusted with "the woke", at least in part, because they tend to be self-satisfied, smug, judgemental, and overbearing. If you don't walk a certain line (which can vary from person to person) with unerring rigidity, they are fast to condemn, in the boldest of terms. They think it's their personal responsibility to spread the word, and they do so to their own detriment, as most people are sick of being constantly told they're horrible and wrong, and will ignore everything they have to say, even when the woke person has miraculously managed to make a good point.

They're never satisfied. Nothing is ever enough, nor will it ever be. They exist to be angry with the world at large. They're miserable and want company.

Woke tends to lump all white privilege together. My childminder is Romanian & moved here in the 90s, they left their first area due to the constant abuse.

Thank you @BritneyPeedOnALadybug

I get it now.

@AutumnRose1

Not a joke so much as an indication of how woke culture devours itself on the altar of ideological purity.

Being “woke” appears to be a byword for having ultra-sensitive antenna for anything that could conceivably have “racist overtones”; and then, having identified such a transgression, ensure the transgressor is ruthlessly and mercilessly vilified and disowned; with anyone who doesn’t wholeheartedly denounce the transgressor accused of being guilty by association and vilified accordingly.

This “woke” mentality and its vortex of purity is disconcertingly similar to Mao’s cultural revolution and Stalin’s Great Terror... thankfully the woke community don’t exert quite the power of people’s lives that Mao and Stalin did!

I wouldn't describe someone as woke for being anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-disablist etc - those are just basic characteristics a normal decent person. Exactly
Here is Trevor Philips writing about Alistair Stewart
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7954443/TREVOR-PHILLIPS-Racist-friend-Alastair-Stewart-fought-against-National-Front.html

There was an interesting programme on R4 today called 'The Purity Spiral'. It was about the disturbing pack mentality that can happen amongst the woke (especially in online communities) when they target and victimise people for failing to meet the increasing levels of moral purity demanded by their (ever more extreme and often arbitrary) standards of wokeness.

It centred on recent shitstorms of controversy in the apparently benign worlds of knitting forums and young adult fiction. Some of the hysterical, illogical, frothing, rage-filled insanity described on the programme were perfect examples of wokeness carried to its extreme. They were usually directed at well-meaning people who had gently dared to try to promote and encourage diversity. And it was very clear that it was a case of screaming your woke credentials and your witch-hunting war cries as loudly as possible to put yourself beyond suspicion so that the mob don't turn on you next. And because denunciation pays, by selling column inches and products and promoting your woke brand.

Here is Trevor Philips writing about Alistair Stewart

Trevor Philips has been very vocal against woke censorship. I am counting down until one of them calls him a fascist for it. I'm not even beign ironic.

Owen Jones frequently describes himself as an 'anti-fascist'. I find it bizarre that he seems to think this is notable, or that arguing with right wing people on twitter and in print is any sort of achievement.

We are in a ridiculous situation where titans who have achieved enormous steps forwards for the rights of disadvantaged groups are being silenced by pipsqueeks who do nothing but announce their virtue and spout bile. That is being woke.

I think this cultural shift harms social interaction. For instance, if everyone is on eggshells all the time because they're worried about being called 'racist' then an unnecessary tension will arise. And I'm not suggesting we go back to 70's style racism btw or indeed any racism at all. I like Obama's approach best. As ever, calm discussion is always the best way.

It centred on recent shitstorms of controversy in the apparently benign worlds of knitting forums and young adult fiction

I'm very sceptical of the motivations of some of the people I've seen orchestrating the pile-ons in these particular areas. Many of the people in these communities are essentially competitors. How easy and convenient it is to "take out" your competitors by impugning their social justice credentials. It always ends in calls to boycott the individual - "don't buy / support their work buy mine instead "

GCAcademic - exactly. As long as people are making money out of division, they will continue to divide as much as they possibly can.

It’s just a new term for Politically Correct that we used back in the 80s.
Same earnest types policing language, so far as I can see...