To wonder why so many people are hostile to 'woke' things?

[malificent7]

Isn't the definition...aware of and against injustice in society especially racism?
Why are so many turning against progressive attitudes atm and aibu to think people almost revel in political incorrectness nowadays?
Megan and Harry are criticised for being too 'woke' as she does yoga and they like animals etc.
Likewise millenuals are sneered at for being woke and snowflakey.
Well i am proud to be woke...better than the opposite.

Dancing was it really you in the 70s? Would you put people in a box according to details of their ethnicity etc and say that certain people have more points in the oppression Oympics etc?

This labelling business is so out of hand. What is the point of encouraging victimhood on the one hand and blame on the other? This "check your privilege" thing is ludicrous. We can't help the circumstances of our birth. We can hope to understand others' struggles and be compassionate, but demanding that we self-flagellate constantly - especially by those who have no experience whatsoever of a life outside their own bubble - is ridiculous.

Also this hierarchy of victims. The Ministry of Woke must get its knickers in a real twist over who gets higher places, and who gets kicked down the ladder.

I have a 'woke' SIL who repatriated a couple of years ago. We're a generally liberal family (as distinct from progressive) with lots of colourful debate and rude comments and so forth, no fear of discussing any of the issues of the day, and since she arrived we're all so much more cautious at the dinner table.

It's really annoying.

This "check your privilege" thing is ludicrous.

It's spun out of control.

Mine is the kind of skin colour and apparently, facial features, that people find it hard to place.

It stuns me how determined people are to get all the details out of me. Otherwise they don’t know how to talk.

It was reported on another thread that kids in some schools are being told by their parents that they can’t play with kids whose parents come from a different sect of the same religion.

AutumnRose, I lectured people on ecoliving, consumerism, vegetarianism, feminism, sexism, racism and how makeup and heels grin]made you a man-hunting bimbo without a brain.
The one thing I can say is that I felt like a warrior and was convinced we were following the right path.
The other thing I can do is be honest about what a passionate PITA I was, and extend the same tolerance to those that replaced me.

Dancing and that brand of annoying continues

But it’s not the same as woke at all.

The purity spiral? Othering and intolerance of people who don’t wholeheartedly endorse? Being outraged on behalf of ethnicities, sexualities and whatnot that you are not a part of?
It looks very similar.

Dancing

woke means nothing can be decided until my place in the oppression Olympics is known. Also, I’d woke is telling me I can’t be BME and British. That I should have particular views according to their view of my place in the oppression olympics. that was happened in my ancestors life is more important than what happened in my life.

Doesn’t sound like you were doing that.

I hate the idea of ‘privilege’. It merely means that some people’s views have less value than others, especially the well educated classes.

Of course, we need to listen to the lived experiences of people who have suffered prejudice but, equally, there are objective standards.

If someone can present an intelligent argument backed by data, the argument stands on its own merits even if given by someone wealthy, ‘pale, male and stale’.

Wokeness is taking away critical thinking and replacing it with a hierarchy of victim hood.

I am so pleased that there is finally a reaction against it.

What I don't like is taking things from the past out of their societal context and pontificating critically about them. There will be things we do today that people will be horrified at in the future. Maybe allowing young people to be prescribed sex changing hormones without first a full study of their motivations and mental health.

Agree with Larry and Helga

Also I see the woke lot as importing problems and pretending they apply here. I wasn’t impressed to have the bus in
Brixton delayed by some sort of anti guns in America protest.

That’s another thing that pisses me off about London generally - always a demo going on that’s nothing to do with Londoners, but now we must be global to be woke. Argh.

Just thought

I’ve never been keen on left and right as descriptors for politics because I found them too simplistic

The woke stuff has made me develop a strong identification of, and dislike of, the left. It’s a large part of why I “lent” my vote to the Conservatives in the last election.

Yes celebration of anti-intellectual, pro-ignorance, and anti change attitude being fed by the few to the many. It's also welcome validation to the dumb, the ignorant, and the haters who've had to keep it hidden for ooh so long mob. Win win...

iwunderwhy something else I feel is that the woke think it’s everyone’s responsibility to educate themselves on everything. I’m not going feel guilty because I don’t know the details of a particular history.

Most of us just get on with life as best we can but now it’s an acceptable insult to call someone “ignorant”. Particularly ironic given that it might be choice but it also might be a result of a problematic background.

There was a programme on R4 just now which seemed to be equating being woke with greenwashing, when the claim is being made by a company.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000dq2w

I admit I didn't listen to much of it, just what was on while I washed up some pans and loaded the dishwasher. (He cooked, so it was my turn.)

Now, whilst I agree that FGM is barbaric and should not be permitted in the UK, I find this a bit daft: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/01/every-woman-girl-should-screened-barbaric-fgm-practice-coalition/

Why the need to screen a 54 year old white female like me who has given birth on the NHS, had smears and very evidently has never been mutilated? Surely resources should be concentrated on those in danger of this, and to help those who have had this inflicted on them. What is the point of screening my 79 year old mother, who regularly has a ring replaced, so the NHS are all too aware of what her bits look like?

scary I’m not able to read the whole article

But I’m nit sure I’d blame the woke for this one. Sounds like sheer idiocy though and a horrendous invasion of prIvacy.

Jeez, Joaquin and his speech

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/joaquin-phoenix-baftas-speech-racism-white-joker-a9314021.html

Autumn

Every woman and girl should be screened for female genital mutilation, a coalition of police, barristers and charities have urged, as they prepare to present the Prime Minister with their solutions to help end the “barbaric” practice.

A coalition of experts are demanding that the UK government adopt a series of recommendations including mandatory screening in order to honour its pledge to end worldwide FGM by 2030.

The practice is defined as a human rights abuse by the UN and constitutes one of the most extreme forms of violence against women and girls which can cause lifelong trauma.

The recomendations include asking GPs to carry out non-physical screening of every female patient in the UK, with women and girls asked if they have had FGM or a family history of it, regardless of their ethnicity or background.

The manifesto has been coordinated by ACTION:FGM, which represents a coalition of organisations that are working to end FGM and other practices which harm women and girls.

This Thursday, as the world marks International Day of Zero Tolerance for Female Genital Mutilation, the group will head to 10 Downing Street to present their case to the Prime Minister.

Among the signatories, of which there are nearly 80, include: Commander Ivan Balhatchet, National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) lead for FGM and the Royal College of Midwives.

Commander Balhatchet described FGM as a “barbaric and violent crime”. “It is a violation of human rights - often with lifelong consequences, committed by the people children should be able to trust the most,” he said.

“Police are committed to protecting vulnerable people from this brutal procedure and we will take all steps possible to bring perpetrators to justice, but we can’t tackle this alone.

“A criminal justice approach in isolation will not eradicate FGM; that can only be done with the police, health, education, social care, NGOs and the affected communities working together.”

Dr Charlotte Proudman, a family law barrister at Goldsmith Chambers who was instrumental in the introduction of FGM Protection Orders in 2015 and the criminalisation of forced marriage in 2012, added that the current law alone as “inadequate” to tackle FGM.

“We need to put greater emphasis on health and education initiatives amongst others, across various sectors. Our new approach aims to ensure that professionals work together to end FGM so no more lives are lost.”

Other signatories to the ACTION: FGM manifesto include: Kirsty Brimelow QC, the first female Chair of the Bar Human Rights Committee of England and Wales, Baroness Lorely Burt, Liberal Democrat spokesperson for equalities, Karma Nirvana is an award-winning national charity supporting victims of honour-based abuse and forced marriage, the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists and Henry Jackson Society, the foreign policy think tank.

Currently, the FGM Information Sharing system shares vital safeguarding information and family history of the practice with the NHS to prevent further girls being abused.

However, Alex Adams, founder of ACTION: FGM believes that more can be done. He said: "We need more bespoke psychological support; for example, there is currently just one FGM clinic for children - we urgently need more.”

It's believed tens-of-thousands of girls are at risk of FGM in the UK. As of September 2019, 489 FGM Protection Orders (FGMPOs) have been made since their introduction.

According to recent figures released by the World Health Organisation, it is estimated that globally at least 200 million women and girls have undergone the practice.

A government spokesman said: “FGM is abuse - which causes extreme and lifelong physical and psychological suffering to women and girls - and we will not tolerate it.

“We share the passion of those who want to end FGM and will continue to work closely with them, and build on what we have already done to eradicate this terrible practice once and for all.”

I fully agree the UK should be doing more, but how will screening every female in the UK assist this?

@scaryteacher

I’m not sure why you’re posting this in this thread, unless you’re actually saying that FGM is an issue exclusively affecting certain ethnic communities but authorities are scared to admit this as they fear being branded racist, Therefore to tackle FGM they have to focus on and screen everyone!

So whereas ethnic “identity” is emphasised and obsessed over by the wokerati, at the same time it is taboo to associate an ethnic group with anything negative lest it causes offence, whatever the facts.

I do genuinely wonder if at least some of the woke brigade aren’t actually Machiavellian fifth columnists for the racist right, as they seem to be doing so much to antagonise people who are naturally sympathetic to racial equality, far more effectively than the likes of Britain First ever did!

I’m not sure why you’re posting this in this thread, unless you’re actually saying that FGM is an issue exclusively affecting certain ethnic communities but authorities are scared to admit this as they fear being branded racist, Therefore to tackle FGM they have to focus on and screen everyone!

I think that's exactly what she's saying.

And I agree, they might just be fifth columnists.

Yes, the police have been accused of institutionalised racism in the past - hence the above baloney. They are between a rock and a hard place as are other public services. Come to that everyone is in this place of tiptoeing in case they are accused of racism.

No it is not just about institutionalised racism.
People whose origins are from certain countries are far more likely to have FGM. So Somalian girls are most at risk.
But there are girls and women who are on paper not at risk of FGM, who have had FGM performed on them. Also the average GP is unlikely to be able to assess accurately who is at risk.
So it is far more likely to be effective if a GP simply asks if you have FGM or anyone in your family. For most women it will be a tick box exercise. No examinations, just a simple question.

And this is what happens with the woke culture. There are so many ridiculous examples that when there is an issue most people know little about, it can be assumed that the response is simply people being woke.

There was the same response on this thread about LGBT police liason officers. This is just someone who goes to a community meeting every so often, passes on info about police initiatives and gets told any issues in the community. This happens generally with communities that distrust the police and helps them build for example links that can be used to solve murders, or highlight if attacks or hate crime is increasing. It is part community reassurance and part intelligence gathering.

So those not at risk on paper may be children of white women born in this country who have a Somalian grandmother by marriage. Grandmothers have been known to arrange FGM against a mothers wishes. A woman in this case would be given information about possible risk and advised how to make sure it did not happen. Because she may not even have been aware there is a risk.