To wonder why so many people are hostile to 'woke' things?

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Isn't the definition...aware of and against injustice in society especially racism?
Why are so many turning against progressive attitudes atm and aibu to think people almost revel in political incorrectness nowadays?
Megan and Harry are criticised for being too 'woke' as she does yoga and they like animals etc.
Likewise millenuals are sneered at for being woke and snowflakey.
Well i am proud to be woke...better than the opposite.

By the way, @doolallylala I hope you realise that your user name could have thousands of them go into meltdown because to say one is going doolally orginated from the Indian military town of Deolali and now this negative word is associated with India.

And here I was listening to 90s garage 🤭

For me it's trigger warnings. I managed to get through my entire life without being "triggered".

"Isn't the definition...aware of and against injustice in society especially racism?"
Might have been, once upon a time. The word has picked up some baggage since then.

IMO it now means having - no, DEMONSTRATING a holier-than-thou attitude. I doubt that they actually believe whatever they're spouting, and that they are just aggressively virtue-signalling to the world. They will spout on a subject they know very little about, be it climate-change, racism or anything else, and if their behaviour is examined I will find their behaviour is in stark contrast to their words.

In short, 'woke' is now a synonym for hypocrite.

I have to agree, we were definitely making good progress (we were certainly not there) and it seemed to be happening in an organic and natural way.

Yes I agree about the past. And I think there's a coercive element to "wokeness".

It is a mistake to assume that everyone who has criticisms about "wokeness", is therefore racist, sexist, homophobic and all the other bad things... And that's one of the problems I have with the whole concept. If you don't loudly agree with exactly what the popular woke viewpoint has to say, you apparently are all of those bad things and more (and it's fine to wish death upon you).

Having a different opinion, asking questions, or even mildly suggesting that it could be a good idea to consider an alternative viewpoint - all wrong. And a lot of the time, opinions that are considered "woke", and therefore, "the only correct opinions", are badly thought out and shallow IMO.

Because I don’t like self-righteous authoritarians telling me what to think. Judging by what happened to the Labour Party in the recent election, nor do most people!

The short clip here is a good summary (haven’t watched whole video)

twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1223739475576020993

The whole thread is a lot of old bollocks! Can anyone point to anyone who claims to be "woke"?

Triangular two on my team at work

Suspect many more on other teams (large organisation).

One good friend. She’s starting to change though.

‘Woke’ is being:

• anti-government
• anti-norms
• anti-system
• anti-mandated anything.

‘Woke’ is questioning history and current events and believing shadowy figures such as the Illuminati/Bill Gates/George Soros/Q/etc are behind them all or are part of a global plan to depopulate Earth/control society/conduct experiments/insert evil plan here.

‘Woke’ is also an easy way to avoid critical thought and to enter silos of similar echo chambers on Twitter and Facebook, where they can have safe spaces and ban anyone who challenges their thinking.

@FormerlyFrikadela01 exactly!

As a concept being nice about other people is historically rejected, for example political correctness

People like being cunts to each other

and believing shadowy figures such as the Illuminati/Bill Gates/George Soros/Q/etc are behind them all or are part of a global plan to depopulate Earth/control society/conduct experiments/insert evil plan here

Global elite control type fears is a more right wing populist opinion

'Political correctness' and 'woke' are both ways of saying that you bow to the prevailing orthodoxies of the day and have no firm principles of your own.

Because a lot of people find it pious,smug and patronising

Can anyone point to anyone who claims to be "woke"?

The belief that people are only something if they self-identity as that thing ( so consensus and facts are irrelevant) is one of the cornerstones of wokeness.

What word would you prefer?

Lily Allen is a good example of woke

As a concept being nice about other people is historically rejected, for example political correctness

I don't think the woke are nice to others. Owen Jones doesn't spend his days doing things to help others. He spends every waking minute criticising others who do things.

We already have words for being nice, woke caught on because it meant something else for which there wasn't a word.

Uhhh Owen Jones

He’s totally woke

Lily Allen is a good example of woke

I disagree. She just seems like a human woman who cares about stuff.

Wokeness is people tripping over themselves to tell you what is right, even though they have no facts or figures behind their thinking. TWAW for example.

Uhhh Owen Jones

He’s totally woke

Yes - deffo. TWAT.

I think hostility comes from shutting down of conversations in the name of being "woke". I was kicked off a Facebook group this week because there was a post mourning Kobe Bryant and how amazing he was. I pointed out I don't mourn rapists - and was absolutely piled on for being a "white woman who only cares when black men rape" - which is bullshit, I didn't mourn David Bowie either. LOTS of people were saying white women need to STFU about Bryant and his rape case and saying white feminism is toxic. All just sounded like a way to silence women's voices TBH

Because we used to be 19 and a member of the student union once, and we feel embarrassed about how simplistic-yet-righteous we were back then.

My mum uses the term woke in a critical way. Has it become trendy to use? I never heard it until recently.

Is it not the case that

a. For time memoriam young people have attempted to question the status quo and break away from the restrictions of society and define their own lives

b. Older generations tend towards being more conservative and less flexible in their thinking

This is how it is/has been/should be.

Or am I being ageist lol.

That would be great stressed, but that doesnt seem to be happening, if woke is coming from the young (and I dont necessarily think that's the case) then they appear to have become inflexible and actually quite traditional in their thinking.

Rik Mayal had it right