Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not allow a man who did this to meet my children?

269 replies

GlummyMcGlummerson · 29/01/2020 19:43

There’s a long backstory but basically my stepdad, who has been my stepdad since I was 6 (I’m now late 30’s) is not someone I like for various reasons - a main one being that he’s a serial cheater and my mum takes him back time and again.

About 20 years ago he had an affair - with his god daughter. His best friend’s daughter who he’d known since she was a baby. They grew up on the same street as us and he knew her all her childhood. He’s was 41, and she was 16. He claims he waited until she was 16 but they were caught 2 months after her 16th birthday and the pattern of his behaviour (sneaking out, late nights at ‘work’) lasted for about six months before that. It caused huge emotional distress to both families at the time, as you can imagine. I’ve kept him at arms length ever since

When my DD was born 7 years ago I decided that I couldn’t trust a person like this with her growing up. They live abroad now anyway so we’d hardly be seeing them. I made it clear to my mum that he would never meet her or any other children I had. It was the hardest thing I’ve ever done hurting her, and she ended up in hospital as a result with a “heart episode” (that’s all she’ll tell me and has never elaborated). But i dug my heels in and stood firm. I didn’t advertise this decision to other family members and no one has ever questioned why he hasn’t met my children.

I recently told my brother about this. He thinks I’m being unfair, OTT and ridiculous, and using DD as a weapon because I don’t like my stepdad. I’ve never doubted my choice before now but his words have really stung and he’s now not talking to me - he knows about all the affairs but very much takes a “none of my business” approach and thinks our stepdad is amazing.

AIBU to completely withhold contact?

OP posts:
SaphfireRose · 30/01/2020 14:22

@GiveHerHellFromUs I mean, it is possible he did sexually coerce her. I am not denying that. However it's also possible he didn't, and she simply knew her mind. You don't know if she liked him, but waited, either. Yes there is a power imbalance, but what is getting lost in the nuance is that you are treating this 16 year old teenager almost woman as if she has no mind of her own. She is 16. Not 6.

GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 14:23

I'll never ever stop being shocked at the level of victim blaming aimed at CHILDREN.

Actually I don't think you are my mum, I think you must be Katie Hopkins

OP posts:
GiveHerHellFromUs · 30/01/2020 14:23

Have you been around teenage girls? If you had, you'd know that they can be quite manipulative and forceful themselves.

Now we're victim blaming. Nice.

If your husband told you he was having sex with a 16 year old and that he'd 'waited for her' until she was legal, would you say "ah fair enough. She probably manipulated him"?

No. You'd call him a disgusting pervert.

margosfloatydress · 30/01/2020 14:23

right so a child in the eyes of the law is anyone under 16.

so explain to me what is a teen above 12 to 15??

a non child?? a "thing"??????

grooming for sexual purposes IS abuse as its actually got a purpose even though he was waiting for the girld 16th birthday. Its in law !! Plus even above 16 , its abuse (both grooming + physical) IF the man (or woman, you do get the odd one) is in a position of trust (thats also in actual law ).

GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 14:24

Saphfire did you happen to wake up one day she 15 and suddenly be attracted to your dad's best mate who was nearly 3 times your age? If not why not? Answer = because you weren't groomed.

Go away and learn about grooming before spouting utter shite on the internet

OP posts:
margosfloatydress · 30/01/2020 14:25

as he was known to family plus his god daughter that clearly puts him in the "position of trust" bracket.

= yuck

margosfloatydress · 30/01/2020 14:27

as a stepdad (i forgot that bit) DEFINATLEY position of trust.

GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 14:27

I swear, feminism dies a little when women blame "manipulative" children for the actions of abusive men.

Pack yourself off back to Gilead

OP posts:
GiveHerHellFromUs · 30/01/2020 14:27

@SaphfireRose you said you were abused as a teen but by your reckoning you can't have been - you must have been fully complicit, right?

Of course you weren't. You were a victim and this girl was a victim. And none of it's ok.

SaphfireRose · 30/01/2020 14:27

@GiveHerHellFromUs

Pedophilia is an ongoing sexual attraction to pre-pubertal children. It is considered a paraphilia, a condition in which a person's sexual arousal and gratification depend on fantasizing about and engaging in sexual behavior that is atypical and extreme. Pedophilia is defined as recurrent and intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children

Please note the PRE-PUBERTAL bit. A 16 year old is normally post puberty.

With that, I am leaving and hiding this thread for my own mental health. I feel I am being trolled, and I am wasting my time. Everything I say is being twisted. All because I dared say......a paedophile is someone attracted to a pre-pubescent child, not a teenager.

sosaidzarathustra · 30/01/2020 14:28

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Twinkletoes888 · 30/01/2020 14:29

The bit that unsettles me the most is the “he claims he waited until she was 16” he has been waiting for this day so he can get away it. Although she maybe legally allowed to have sex she is not an adult, 18 in the UK, correct me I’d I am wrong.

I wouldn’t allow my children near him incase he decided he was waiting for one of them to turn 16

GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 14:30

You feel you're being trolled? How about don't blame children for their own abuse and maybe you won't be "trolled".

Don't let the door hit you on your apologist victim blaming arse on the way out

OP posts:
GiveHerHellFromUs · 30/01/2020 14:30

@SaphfireRose where did you copy that from? Because I checked the dictionary for my definitions, to make sure I was correct.
Was that from an English site?

margosfloatydress · 30/01/2020 14:30

and this is why many teen girls dont speak up

cos we`re all just "tarts"

arn`t we???????????????????????????????????????????????????

GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 14:31

A 16yo has sexual appetites that a 9yo doesn't

Jesus fucking Christ.

Would it be so hard for people to spend 5 minutes reading up on grooming?

Do you also think non-virgins can't be raped? They have sexual appetites afterall

OP posts:
sosaidzarathustra · 30/01/2020 14:31

did you happen to wake up one day she 15 and suddenly be attracted to your dad's best mate who was nearly 3 times your age? If not why not? Answer = because you weren't groomed.
Lots of 15 yo girls have crushes on old middle aged men eg teachers without being groomed

sosaidzarathustra · 30/01/2020 14:32

But there is no suggestion this girl was raped....?????

GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 14:32

Everything I say is being twisted. All because I dared say......a paedophile is someone attracted to a pre-pubescent child, not a teenager.

HA!!! Are you taking the piss? No one is twisting your words. They're calling you out on your victim blaming. These are the worst type of MN posters - come and drop a bullshit bomb victim blaming children and then go "WHY are you being MEAN and twisting my words, it's upset me now".

OP posts:
GiveHerHellFromUs · 30/01/2020 14:33

@sosaidzarathustra the men don't then decide to have sex with the children though

margosfloatydress · 30/01/2020 14:33

yes they do.

BUT the teacher doesn`t encourage it. Because it is wrong. (well most do).

GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 14:34

Lots of 15 yo girls have crushes on old middle aged men eg teachers without being groomed

Yes - but can you perhaps tell us why most men don't happen to give in to these crushes?

OP posts:
GiveHerHellFromUs · 30/01/2020 14:34

Is @sosaidzarathustra just @SaphfireRose with a name change?

Highonpotandused · 30/01/2020 14:34

OP, I agree with you 100%. Ignore the child abuse apologists on here. A 15yo and even a 16yo is a child.

People need to listen to The Teacher’s Pet podcast (men in their 30s/40s in Australia) grooming school girls of 15/16 to understand the lifelong impact the grooming had on those girls.

GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 14:35

Sadly @GiveHerHellFromUs MN posters seem to be on the rise with victim blamers these days so doubt they're the same person.

OP posts: