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To not allow a man who did this to meet my children?

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GlummyMcGlummerson · 29/01/2020 19:43

There’s a long backstory but basically my stepdad, who has been my stepdad since I was 6 (I’m now late 30’s) is not someone I like for various reasons - a main one being that he’s a serial cheater and my mum takes him back time and again.

About 20 years ago he had an affair - with his god daughter. His best friend’s daughter who he’d known since she was a baby. They grew up on the same street as us and he knew her all her childhood. He’s was 41, and she was 16. He claims he waited until she was 16 but they were caught 2 months after her 16th birthday and the pattern of his behaviour (sneaking out, late nights at ‘work’) lasted for about six months before that. It caused huge emotional distress to both families at the time, as you can imagine. I’ve kept him at arms length ever since

When my DD was born 7 years ago I decided that I couldn’t trust a person like this with her growing up. They live abroad now anyway so we’d hardly be seeing them. I made it clear to my mum that he would never meet her or any other children I had. It was the hardest thing I’ve ever done hurting her, and she ended up in hospital as a result with a “heart episode” (that’s all she’ll tell me and has never elaborated). But i dug my heels in and stood firm. I didn’t advertise this decision to other family members and no one has ever questioned why he hasn’t met my children.

I recently told my brother about this. He thinks I’m being unfair, OTT and ridiculous, and using DD as a weapon because I don’t like my stepdad. I’ve never doubted my choice before now but his words have really stung and he’s now not talking to me - he knows about all the affairs but very much takes a “none of my business” approach and thinks our stepdad is amazing.

AIBU to completely withhold contact?

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Tartyflette · 30/01/2020 13:54

I think many of us on here do actually see our 16 year old children as,
well, children. Because they are.
Until they are 18, in fact.

SaphfireRose · 30/01/2020 13:54

Sorry, last post was to Mummyoflittledragon.

AryaStarkWolf · 30/01/2020 13:56

Gross, you're 100% right. People like this creep get away with stuff like this because most people are too polite to make a stand. Good for you

GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 13:57

There is a difference between a 16 year old teenager that can leave home, leave school, have sex - to a 9 year old child

You must have a VERY narrow minded view of life if you think any old 16yo can you sticks and leave easily. The whole point of grooming is that vulnerable children are brainwashed into trusting someone who is very damaging to them. I'm sure my stepdads victim still the time thought she was in love and was in fact completely blind to the fact she was being sexually abused. There is NO sliding scale of "badness" when it comes to abuse - to claim so seriously minimises victims who aren't tiny children. It smacks of people who say "well she got raped, is it any wonder walking home alone, not like the poor woman up the street who was raped by an intruder in her home"

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SaphfireRose · 30/01/2020 13:58

OP. What does rape have to do with this? She was 16, rape has nothing to do with this. Don't demean actual victims of rape, now, as well as demeaning actual victims of paedophilia. I have not said rape is worse for child or teen. Rape is not even involved in this.

You are comparing a 16 year teenager to a 9 year old child. If you cannot see the difference, I just don't know what else to say.

GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 14:01

It's called an analogy. There are people who think there's a sliding scale of rapes and how bad they are - to me they are the same as people who think there's a sliding scale of child abuse.

You are twisting my words yet again, when did I demean victims of rape?

If you can't see that sexual abuse of a 16 yo is no better or easier than sexual abuse of a 9yo then I can't help that kind of ignorance. Do you realise how utterly damaging your words are?

As someone who was sexually assaulted at age 6, I have ZERO problem with men who abuse teenage girls being called peadophiles. It doesn't "take away" from what happened to me, so don't speak on behalf of people like me thank you very much

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SaphfireRose · 30/01/2020 14:04

You must have a VERY narrow minded view of life if you think any old 16yo can you sticks and leave easily.

No, you are very narrow-minded and obtuse if you think a 16 year old teenager is the same as being abused at 6 or 9. There is no evidence the 16 year old TEENAGE GIRL was being sexually abused. What you still don't understand is that a 16 year old teenager and a 9 year old CHILD are two completely different things. One is not a paedophile. The other, is.

CountFosco · 30/01/2020 14:09

For those arguing over the legal definition of pædophila lets just pause and try and think about the victims for a moment. Is a child who was abused on her 13th birthday really going to be less affected by being raped by a man than a child who was abused the day before her 13th birthday.

GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 14:09

No, you are very narrow-minded and obtuse if you think a 16 year old teenager is the same as being abused at 6 or 9.

You are a truly disgusting person - explain to me in clear terms why it's different please? Or do you think she was a "tart" too? There's an absolute level of victim blaming in your words - like 9yo are truly innocent (which they are) but 16yo are different? Seriously, explain the difference please

If he started grooming her at 15, then he didn't groom her 'from when she was a child'.

Don't you count 15yo as children? Is sex with middle aged men and 13yo girls ok on your book as they're not "children"?

OF COURSE he groomed her! Do you think she woke up one day and decided she fancied her dads best mate with no encouragement?

Until you understand more about grooming and abuse and don't think it's exclusively for small children, I suggest you stop posting.
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SaphfireRose · 30/01/2020 14:09

You are twisting my words yet again, when did I demean victims of rape?

You are the one twisting words, claiming just because I don't want people calling someone in a relationship with a 16 year old consenting teenager who know what they are doing, a paedophile. When they ever so clearly are not.

If you can't see that sexual abuse of a 16 yo is no better or easier than sexual abuse of a 9yo then I can't help that kind of ignorance. Do you realise how utterly damaging your words are?

Wow. Confused I can''t believe you said that! If you HONESTLY believe there is no difference between a consensual relationship with a 16 year old, and actual abuse of a 9 year old child, you are not only offending actual victims of sexual abuse, but you are living on another planet.

As someone who was sexually assaulted at age 6

If you were sexually abused at 6, you would know the difference between a 6 year old child being abused, and a 16 year old teenager in a consensual relationship. If you really cannot see a difference between a 6 year old, and a 16 year old, I find that very frightening.

GiveHerHellFromUs · 30/01/2020 14:10

@SaphfireRose are you stupid? A 15 year old is a child.

I didn't say he looked at pictures of children. I'm explaining that there aren't good and bad paedophiles, depending on what they've done, there are just paedophiles and they're all disgusting and should be shot.

SaphfireRose · 30/01/2020 14:11

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GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 14:11

That's very true. But do we have any evidence he was looking at images of children aged 0-12?

Another example of your total lack of knowledge - viewing indecent images of children under 18, not 12, is a criminal offence.

I'm seriously questioning your agenda here, you seem very keen to establish that 12 is the magic number and anything above that is fine

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GiveHerHellFromUs · 30/01/2020 14:12

@SaphfireRose just to add, it wasn't a consensual relationship if he sexually coerced a vulnerable child

AryaStarkWolf · 30/01/2020 14:12

OF COURSE he groomed her! Do you think she woke up one day and decided she fancied her dads best mate with no encouragement?

Exactly

GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 14:13

Wow. I can''t believe you said that! If you HONESTLY believe there is no difference between a consensual relationship with a 16 year old, and actual abuse of a 9 year old child, you are not only offending actual victims of sexual abuse, but you are living on another planet

Grooming IS abuse FFS! I am an "actual" victims of sexual abuse and don't get upset by the same definition being applied to "consenting" teenagers.

You haven't explicitly stated why you think one type of child abuse is worse than others. I'm waiting

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GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 14:15

PSA: if you believe that there are sliding scales or rape, child abuse and sexual assault, you contribute to rape culture. I DON'T think what a suffered age 6 (BTW Saohfire nice use of the word "if" in response to this, nice) is any worse than what a teenage girl groomed over several weeks/months/years to have sex with a trusted middle aged man. I don't compare my experience with others because that ridiculous and weird

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SaphfireRose · 30/01/2020 14:17

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GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 14:18

Ok let's frame the question a different way then Saphfire - how is a peadophile worse than a hebephile? Please explain in clear terms because I struggle to understand

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GiveHerHellFromUs · 30/01/2020 14:18

@SaphfireRose and a 12 year old is a pre-teen. They're still both children.

You're saying some cases are worse than others.
You think a boy being abused at 9 is worse than a girl being abused at 15 and neither is better or worse. They're just different.

SaphfireRose · 30/01/2020 14:20

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BiBiBirdie · 30/01/2020 14:20

If that's your brother's attitude to grooming a minor for sexual gratification, I would be going non contact with the lot of them.

GiveHerHellFromUs · 30/01/2020 14:21

@SaphfireRose a paedophile by definition is someone who is sexually attracted to children.

A child by definition is a young person under the legal age of majority.

The legal age of majority in the UK is 18.

That makes him a paedophile.

GlummyMcGlummerson · 30/01/2020 14:22

There is no evidence he sexually 'coerced' a 16 year old, nor a child. Have you been around teenage girls? If you had, you'd know that they can be quite manipulative and forceful themselves

Urgh, you're disgusting. Are you my mum? Poor little men, so innocent in knowing a girl since she was a baby and being entrusted with her welfare as a godparent, having to cope with teenage girls being manipulative. It's a wonder really more men don't shag their god daughters what with so many good looking horny manipulative children wandering around them. Poor lambs

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