To think that a lot of genuinely beautiful people ruin themselves with plastic surgery etc?

[BeTheRabbit]

As a self confessed utterly ugly bug I just can't understand it... There are truly beautiful women out there who do it to themselves time and time again and end up almost caricatures of themselves.

Just a thought after seeing the latest pics of Catherine Zeta Jones who was incredibly gorgeous. Not a caricature yet, but perhaps in danger of going there.

Some horrod comments here...no wonder women are getting so much work done ! Im 43 and if i can stave off wrinkles i will. Id rather have a shiny forehead than deep furrows myself but each to their own.

Many Spanish actresses look their age and even older than their peers yet still get work and are not criticized for their looks.

@malificent7

Some horrod comments here...no wonder women are getting so much work done ! Im 43 and if i can stave off wrinkles i will. Id rather have a shiny forehead than deep furrows myself but each to their own.

Comments about people looking worse after having work done is the cause of women getting work done? (Which is what the "horrible" comments on this thread are about).

It's society's obsession with looking youthful that is the driver. Such things as total horror about wrinkles, soft jaw lines and non-plum lips.

In reality shiny foreheads and faces that don't move make a person look old, just not in the way nature intended. And while some older women look better than others they look better than of they would of they had surgery.

As I mentioned early, CZJ's mother is stunning, so no doubt CZJ would have aged extremely well too. Amd if she's had work she saw a better surgeon than her daughter.

Actually there's a question, do surgeions do fillers? Or can you get those at a beauticians? Same with botox?

I have worked in beauty for over thirty years. I don't have facial wrinkles. I have always worn sun protection and foundation. I also eat fish daily. On my arms I have wrinkles and hyper pigmentation from driving and I don't put on body sunscreen for everyday. I have never had botox or fillers. Would I? Nope. I think a good lipstick and dental work can achieve wonders. I once had a client who insisted I didn't have work done so she could say my complexion was due to her creams. The caveat was irrelevant but she didn't believe I was au naturale. I think if you are facially disfigured or have a huge nose, ears etc go ahead. But age catches us all. I don't mind telling people my age. I just wish my body looked as good as my face.

Yes probably. Re beautiful people ruining themselves with plastic surgery.

@LipstickLou - I’m similar to you. Very similar skin, age but not the fish! I think it’s partly down to excellent skin on parents side but my maternal grandmother always said to use facial sunscreen every day!

I don’t think expensive creams help but some sort of cream does. I’ve worn foundation on and off throughout my life.

I don’t use Botox etc but do use retinol, vitamin c cream or serum when I remember.

I can’t definitely tell most women who’ve had Botox/fillers etc. Just the frozen look, over inflated lips etc - even more defined lips etc I generally think most have had work done. I was out with family yesterday and in a cafe I obviously didn’t say anything whilst she was there but the woman behind us had definitely had fillers/Botox/lip enhancement etc and after she left I mentioned to my brother I’m sure she didn’t need it before!

My friend who has Botox and other work panics looking like her mum who’s a normal late 60s/70 year old woman who’s had nothing done, grown a fringe to hide forehead wrinkles but looks really great!

I do get told I look younger - mostly by relatives but most of my friends look good too, looking after yourself helps generally.

Society won't accept beautiful women ageing. I just had a look at her Instagram and she's funny, clearly a devoted mother and has a whole host of talents. Sad that you are more interested in her looks. And i expect that's why she has a hard time allowing herself to age.

Yup all the women out there who have had stuff done and you don’t realise!! My friend got away with it for years- now had her lips done and looks ridiculous.

I suppose a minor amount of surgery, skilfully done can be justified if you have a particular hangup about part of your appearance eg if gives you more confidence and makes you feel better about yourself. But I do agree with previous posts that many girls have it done too young when they are naturally beautiful and need no enhancements. Some have so much work done that they look frankly ridiculous and resemble drag queens. Above all I think personality and character should shine through, too much value is placed on appearance these days, that’s the media for you

I think men are just as prone. Has anyone seen Paul Stanley?!!!!!!

Some look good (Bruce Springsteen, eg) but most men end up looking like bad women, and with big flashing teeth that are too big for their mouths, startled round eyes and luxuriant hair that no man over 50 has had ever.

I think some people take it too far, loads of film stars etc have had plastic surgery…its just very good subtle work

I also think its many fillers that cause some of the problems on older people who just aren’t meant to have plumped cheeks and lips

I would have work done in the future and ive already had a lower face lift for my neck…but my neck is genetics the face oift is just staving off the inevitable for a few more years

@Maggiejardine

I suppose a minor amount of surgery, skilfully done can be justified if you have a particular hangup about part of your appearance eg if gives you more confidence and makes you feel better about yourself. But I do agree with previous posts that many girls have it done too young when they are naturally beautiful and need no enhancements. Some have so much work done that they look frankly ridiculous and resemble drag queens. Above all I think personality and character should shine through, too much value is placed on appearance these days, that’s the media for you

The vast majority of people who even have it skilfully done - a lot of the time I can tell they've had it done. Some people I need pointing out to me.

I was at a nail salon on Friday night and the owner was complaining about her big nose saying she'd always got teased about it - it was fine! Maybe a feature but certainly not huge and in proportion with her face,

It is so ridiculous to think that in the eyes of a lot of people and including media, you need to be a perfect symmetrical face etc or on the other end of the spectrum to have huge lips and bambi eyelashes and plump cheeks to look 'good' or acceptable even.

@malificent7

Some horrod comments here...no wonder women are getting so much work done ! Im 43 and if i can stave off wrinkles i will. Id rather have a shiny forehead than deep furrows myself but each to their own.

This woman I saw yesterday in a 'naice' village in London.

At first glance I thought, oh she looks 'good'. On a second glance, before sitting down etc and I moved slightly I could see a face which looked like it had been carved from marble and slightly cartoonish, lots of angles and there was no way she was a model. In fact my aunt, who is now in her early 60s was a fairly successful model in her teens and 20s and looks good now - but I guess she has good or fairly good genes. As far as I know she wouldn't touch plastic surgery, botox etc.

I mean if you like that stuff you'd say she looks 'good'. And it shouldn't matter a blind bit really what I think about her looks, she should be able to enhance her looks any way she likes.

I worked for a short period with a perfectly pretty woman in her early 30s with fillers, duck lips etc - who spent most of her money on skin care etc - and had now regretted it, so she told me - but I think she must've looked fine before she had this done as she was naturally pretty. I just think it is such a shame these days there's so much pressure to look X way and to stave off each and every wrinkle.

@Classica

There has been a strange Kardashianisation of beauty standards. So many minor celebs and Instagram models look almost identical.

Tori Spelling has had a little (!) work done and now looks like a clone of Khloe Kardashian. It's so weird.

She looks nothing like Khloe Kardashian lol!

I know someone who is naturally beautiful. She still has Botox and lip fillers and any photos she puts of herself on FB are always heavily filtered. It’s sad.

you sure about that, @BrisbaneandGone?

Botox and fillers can do some strange things to the face. Bradley Cooper has started to morph into Barry Manilow who was morphing into Rod Stewart

They do look alike Tori and Khloe have always been taunted for their looks

I agree all the men look the same. Even worse they look comical.

I thought Tori had had a fair bit done - I understood that her parents were cruel about her appearance?

You are who you are ON THE INSIDE. You can't change that.

Then we wonder why our young women have such low self esteem, what message are we sending out here ?
I choose to grow old gracefully, and thankful to have made it this far.
Real beauty is never just about looks.

YANBU at all, I can't believe all the actresses that do it - watching Nicole Kidman on 9 perfect strangers and she can't adopt any facial expressions at all, such a shame.

Michael Jackson.

Katie Cassidy, absolutely gorgeous beforehand but now has that "put her too close to the fire and she'll melt" look.

It's fillers that are people's undoing. People who've had stuff done and look good have had facelifts. Filler has a cumulative effect and that's why faces end up looking so puffy and strange.

I agree the lip filler look is terrible. The problem is that Botox and lip filler are cheap, while a good facelift is expensive. Lots of people who can't afford Jane Fonda's plastic surgeon, can spend a few hundred on injectable treatments.

I don't know why wealthy women give themselves huge hideous mouths too, but it's something to do with the way women are judged for their looks.