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Is this teacher being unreasonable?

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OhHolyJesus · 16/01/2020 22:46

3rd time lucky, genuinely not being goady, I'm seriously concerned reading this teacher's account and I want to share so others can be aware and see how it is from a teacher's perspective.

This is from Safe Schools Alliance:

I am utterly horrified at what was taught at a PSHE lesson at my school recently. It was to a group of children, most are 11-12 years old. It is so, so much worse than I thought.
The topic was LGBT and Diversity. The kids were taught that biological sex is your anatomy (genitals etc), however, male, female and intersex are genders and are on a spectrum. They were told that people can identify however they want -- as male or female. Some people identify as neither; some identify as non-binary. The teachers spoke about lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. They explained a lesbian is attracted to ‘other women’, but it was clear that if anyone can identify as a woman then ‘other women’ may actually be men. ‘Cisgender’ was also mentioned and the kids were told that ‘a cisgender person is someone who identifies with the sex they were assigned at birth’. Sex and gender were conflated throughout the lesson and sometimes they were used as synonyms. The kids went home thinking God knows what.
The kids were also told briefly about bestiality, sex toys and masturbation. I really, truly wish that I was kidding. I don’t know who brought up bestiality but the teachers should have shut this down immediately and explained that it is inappropriate, not to mention illegal in the UK. Nothing of the sort. One of the teachers said it was a sexuality whereby some people are attracted to and have sex with animals. It was talked about like it is completely normal. The other things that were taught, were sex toys and masturbation. The kids were told about how people “pleasure themselves”, that some women use a vibrator and some men masturbate to pornography.
I feel disgusted and disheartened. I feel a lesson like that should be reported to the headteacher and the governors but I don’t think it will be dealt with appropriately. The school has form for not taking safeguarding seriously. I feel like I’m going mad and I’m wrong. I know I’m not, but it feels like it. I hope that the parents will say something. They must. Some of the boys [in our school] act a lot older than their age. They are always making inappropriate sexual comments or asking inappropriate sexual questions. I suspect some are also watching pornography online. A couple are obsessed with murder, rape [of girls], suicide and corporal punishment. The sort of PSHE lesson I witnessed will do nothing to challenge their unhealthy attitudes to sex, relationships and women.
We also have a student who is transgender. A girl who identifies as a boy. We were told to use male pronouns to use for her. There was no discussion. I don’t think this is in [the student’s] best interests but I felt unable to say anything. A teacher was reprimanded by a colleague for using ‘she’ for this girl. I [have been] forced to lie to a student. She used ‘she’ for the [transboy] and was told off by a teacher. I am being forced to actively lie. I feel that I cannot safeguard my students effectively. I am worried and scared for the kids-- especially our girls – what they’re being told and being forced to use mixed-sex toilets. At this point, I think that the only thing that will stop all this madness is some poor young girl being harmed. The local council is in meltdown. [We] have sent them two letters. They haven’t responded to the second one but from the response to the first one they don’t see any safeguarding issues. Ofsted and the DfE are on board the trans train. The DfE is funding Mermaids. Who are teachers supposed to turn to?
Teacher, 32, England

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OhHolyJesus · 16/01/2020 22:50

@mnhq

Please don't delete this I'm not being goady at all - this comes from a place of genuine concern and safe schools alliance have published this anonymously. This teacher's story gives a real insight into what has happened at school in the Uk.

Parents here will be interested to know surely?

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Lanurk · 16/01/2020 22:57

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OhHolyJesus · 16/01/2020 23:01

Ok so Lanurk is cool with children being taught about people having sex with animals....oh and Lanurk thinks I'm a twat...

Anyone else?

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Strongmummy · 16/01/2020 23:04

I’d be comfortable with my kids learning about these topics and I’m sure it was done in an age appropriate way.

HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 16/01/2020 23:05

YANBU OP.

Lanurk pretty sure discussing beastiality with kids is never appropriate.

I am all for teaching kids kindness, tolerance and love and teaching them about LGB relationships but this is not the way to do it.

NegroniOnIce · 16/01/2020 23:06

What happened to your other thread/a?

FlamingoAndJohn · 16/01/2020 23:06

Where did you get this from?
Do you know it’s true?

NegroniOnIce · 16/01/2020 23:06

Thread/s is what I meant. What happened to them?

victoriashleigh · 16/01/2020 23:07

Didn’t happen.

noeyedeer · 16/01/2020 23:07

But I bet the weren't "taught" about people having sex with animals. Far !ore likely one asked the question, "what's bestiality?" (Probably heard it somewhere and thought it'd be "cool" or "funny" to ask) and the got the reply, "bestiality is when someone is attracted to or has sex with animals." They probably got told it was illegal too.

I've run sex ed for 9-11 year olds, and we wouldn't have answered the bestiality question, we'd have referred the child back to their parents.

Not using preferred pronouns for a child is just being being horrid though. It's not being "forced to actively lie".

Strongmummy · 16/01/2020 23:09

I’m also confused why this teacher is uncomfortable with accepting the trans boy at the school. Why on earth is it a safe guarding issue ?

OhHolyJesus · 16/01/2020 23:09

It's from safe schools alliance, yes it's true.

SSA worked really hard (with Click Off) to get the Warwickshire County Council stuff taken off their website. It was appalling. I'm deeply concerned about what PSHE has become.

I'm not the teacher, I don't even work in education...I posted two previous threads and they were delete for being goady...hope this one stays so we can talk about this.

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HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 16/01/2020 23:09

Well it is actually noideer as it is a lie that you can change sex. Whilst I will happily call anyone whatever they want to, you can't compel others to say something they know is untrue.

PanemEtCircenses · 16/01/2020 23:11

How distressing. Of course the teacher is not being unreasonable. She needs to whistle blow to the press.

This is why my kids are in private, single sex schools and I don’t allow them to attend sex education until I’ve seen the material that will be used (which HoD’s have been happy to supply).

Lanurk · 16/01/2020 23:12

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Strongmummy · 16/01/2020 23:14

@PanemEtCircenses I bet the teachers fucking love you 🤣🤣🤣

OhHolyJesus · 16/01/2020 23:14

TBH I'm more bothered about the masturbation and the sex toys - after the Respect Yourself sextionary which describes felching and daisy-chaining it's clear that sex education has moved on from basic biology and how babies are made to something porn-like!

Don't we all just work out how to masturbate without help from teachers? Why would an 11 year old need to know about sex toys and having sex with animals? Even mentioned briefly how is this even a topic? Beastiality is illegal!

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Lifeinthelastlane · 16/01/2020 23:15

Oh I can totally see this happening. In the determination to be woke (which often starts from a genuine desire to help people) people have left their critical thinking faculties at the door.

HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 16/01/2020 23:15

Oh lord, Lanurk are you of the opinion that we should be teaching children about kink and fetish too? Own shade of vanilla indeed.

Lifeinthelastlane · 16/01/2020 23:17

So who led the session? A regular teacher or someone who came in from an organisation?

OhHolyJesus · 16/01/2020 23:18

Alluding to my sex-life Lanurk is way out of order. Let's stay on the topic shall we?

If it's not true it wouldn't even be me who is lying, it would be Safe Schools Alliance as they are the source. By sharing something out of concern for children doesn't make me a liar.

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JasonPollack · 16/01/2020 23:18

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LordOfTheWhys · 16/01/2020 23:19

The teacher has 11-yr-olds who are obsessed with murder, rape and suicide? Confused

OhHolyJesus · 16/01/2020 23:20

I don't know any more info, only what was posted in the OP. I can see why the teacher shared their story anonymously now!

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Strongmummy · 16/01/2020 23:21

@OhHolyJesus masturbation is a completely normal, healthy and enjoyable act. These kids are about to be teenagers (and will definitely be exploring themselves) and so should feel comfortable in knowing that enjoying your body is not bad, not sinful, but should be done in private and with respect for others. I believe it’s an important part of a well rounded sex education. Sex should not be seen as embarrassing! Kids should feel empowered by their sex Ed lessons, and this includes knowing that their body is their own and must be respected.