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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
Jessicabrassica · 16/01/2020 07:14

Could she feed you? You can pick her and her daughter up but because you won't have long enough at home to cook and eat, could she chuck a jacket potato and beans together for you; you'll get there at 5, eat, and you can all leave together?
It's the kind of deal my friends and I make - but my friends aren't freeloading cfs!

AriadnesFilament · 16/01/2020 07:16

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination, not one bit, but I do think that this would have been far better done in person so you could explain why you just can’t pick her up any more.

Grobagsforever · 16/01/2020 07:29

I cannot comprehend how people like your 'friend' exist in this world

Blackbear19 · 16/01/2020 07:29

Jessicabrassica I like that suggestion. Really turn the thing on its head.

Another option on the same vein would be for the friend to feed both girls and OP gets her dinner after drop off

KidCaneGoat · 16/01/2020 07:31

Follow the advice you gave your daughter. It was good advice. And also kids learn by watching us so it will be great for your DD to see you being assertive. Hope it goes well today. I’m cheering you on.

DownTownAbbey · 16/01/2020 07:34

I would reply and say "what do you mean by it's not on? What isn't on? You want to leave your house as late as possible, as do I. I've made the sacrifice for 2 years by rushing to get dinner ready to leave the house to collect you and your daughter so I would appreciate a bit of give and take here. I don't appreciate someone I'm doing a favour for telling me something isn't on, it's a little rude to be honest".

What Whippity said ^^

Berthatydfil · 16/01/2020 07:36

I think you need to be more direct with her
Text her
Mary I need to be blunt here. If sally wants to go to darts on Friday she needs to be at my house by 6.00.

Chuzzle · 16/01/2020 07:41

Oh bugger I tapped the wrong button! OP YADNBU.

fedup21 · 16/01/2020 07:44

Anyone who I’d been providing a service to for 2 years who says, ‘it’s not on’ about a slight change to it, is a bloody pisstaker in my book.

I have to say, nobody has ever said anything like this to me and if they did, I would just laugh. I have no problems with saying no to people though.

She isn’t your friend, she really isn’t-she’s using you as a free Deliveroo service.

OhMeows · 16/01/2020 07:51

Text over the weekend:

"Hi colleague, just wanted to check in regarding what your long term plans are? I'm happy to carry on until the end of next week, but obviously it can't be an indefinite plan as it adds time and cost at my expense. Can you check that after x date you'll be able to make your own way?"

fedup21 · 16/01/2020 07:58

"Hi colleague, just wanted to check in regarding what your long term plans are? I'm happy to carry on until the end of next week, but obviously it can't be an indefinite plan as it adds time and cost at my expense. Can you check that after x date you'll be able to make your own way?"

They aren’t colleagues though, are they?

CakeandCustard28 · 16/01/2020 07:59

Why can’t DD friend walk home with your DD after school and then go directly to the club? Wouldn’t that make things easier?

HeidiHoNeighbour · 16/01/2020 08:01

@Whiskeychaser

As you’ve said you’re a people pleaser, look at how many posters here are telling you to tell her to fuck off.

Jut look at how many people you’ll be pleasing!

Take strength from that.

BonnesVacances · 16/01/2020 08:01

You should say "I hear what you're saying, but I don't think you're hearing me. The current arrangement is stressful and doesn't give me enough time to get ready before leaving for the club. If you want me to carry on taking NAME for you, she'll need to be at mine by 5.55. I can still drop her home afterwards."

Apolloanddaphne · 16/01/2020 08:10

This arrangement should work for you but at the moment it doesn't. You need to be very firm with your friend from now on. She is choosing not to understand your point of view.

ChristmasSweet · 16/01/2020 08:16

You're her PA, not her friend.

TamingToddler · 16/01/2020 08:31

Why don't the girls come straight from school to your house, and cook dinner ready for when you come in? Cant they just do pasta and sauce. Eat dinner, you come home and eat, then leave at 6pm.
If mum wants to come she can walk over for 6pm.

WhatchaMaCalllit · 16/01/2020 08:32

I'm gobsmacked to read exactly how much you do for this 'friend' @Whiskeychaser to be honest.

I would definitely go with what @Whippity suggested:
I would reply and say "what do you mean by it's not on? What isn't on? You want to leave your house as late as possible, as do I. I've made the sacrifice for 2 years by rushing to get dinner ready to leave the house to collect you and your daughter so I would appreciate a bit of give and take here. I don't appreciate someone I'm doing a favour for telling me something isn't on, it's a little rude to be honest".

I would even consider telling a little fib and say that your DD wont be able to make the club on Friday (and then show up anyway and if asked, say that she changed her mind and was able to make it after all) and see if they show up or if she would still expect you to bring her DD anyway. Would really show her colours then.

I'd also consider cutting back on allowing her to have parcels delivered to your address too. Not necessary. She could get them delivered to her work address or her home address. You're address is no longer available for that purpose for her.

She is a CF to rival some of the awful CF I've read about on MN over the years.

2020 is the year that @Whiskeychaser stands up for herself and takes no shit off anyone!!!! Come on Whiskeychaser, show us what you're made of! Smile

RandomMess · 16/01/2020 08:40

I think as a non driver she is obvious to how much longer it takes you to pick up and how stressful it is when traffic is busy and you are likely to be late...

Highfivemum · 16/01/2020 08:55

Once you give lifts for a while it suddenly can come that they expect it. Same happened to me when I used to do the football run twice a week. It started as a joint effort but soon became mainly me as she was too busy. ( i had five children she had two ). Always a reason why she couldn’t go and this continued. One day I couldn’t do it as my car was in the garage and I asked her to do it. She said she was busy and could I not use my husbands car! I said no as he was at work. She said ok never mind we will have to leave it this week. I was annoyed but even more annoyed as the next day at school a friend told me she had gone with just her son !!!
That was it for me. No more lifts.

Gwilt160981 · 16/01/2020 08:59

Just say no you ain't a taxi service.

spongejack · 16/01/2020 09:00

She is one massive CF!

OhMeows · 16/01/2020 09:03

Ha, I've posted on the wrong CF lift thread

Duvetdweller · 16/01/2020 09:07

@HeidiHoNeighbour 🤣

FinallyHere · 16/01/2020 09:11

that's not friendship, that's a concierge service!

This ^ wot @katy1213 wrote

It's lovely that you are so kind and card my for others. I'm glad you have recognised that your next steps are to be at least as kind to yourself.

Funny old world, people will treat you better when you are less of a pushover.

Stick to your guns, and remember we are all behind you cheering you on xx