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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
Whiskeychaser · 16/01/2020 01:03

@needanewnamechange, I may be a sahm, but I volunteer every week with a charity, I take an elderly neighbour shopping every week and spend a few hours afterwards with her having a natter, I cook from scratch every day and do most of the household chores myself. I also have a long term disability that means I tire easily, and have limited mobility.

I've been struggling with this for the best part of a year, but haven't said anything because I know I'm lucky that I don't work, and I do feel for her/admire her as she works really hard, and I know it can't be easy as she also doesn't get support from the father.
I also thought we were friends and she has helped me in the past as friends do.

That's one of the many reasons why I'm happy to do all the things I do.

I'm also aware that it's dark in winter, which is another reason I've been reluctant to say anything, but her dd is allowed out when it's dark when it suits her, eg, she walks their dog alone every morning in the dark.

I think I'll text her in the morning saying:

Hi X, just to confirm I'm happy to drive Y to and from the club on Friday but she/you need to be at mine for 6pm as I can no longer get to yours and still make it to the club on time.
If you/she can't get to mine in time, please let me know and I'll see you there. Either way, I'm still able to (or more than happy to?) drive her home and drop her off at yours as usual.

What do you think? Fair? Not too rude?

Thanks ever so much for all the opinions though, it's been an eye opener, as I thought I was maybe being a bit rude or petty.

OP posts:
OnTheEdgeOfTheNight · 16/01/2020 01:12

You have a long term disability and mobility problems and you're concerned that you're not doing enough for this "friend" because she "works hard".
Her daughter is abusive to your daughter, jealous if your daughter spends too much time with other people. You don't want her daughter to start coming to your house every Friday.

Read the thread from the beginning. Count how many people say you're not doing enough and should allow this woman to tell you whether or not you're allowed to stop driving her around.

Why do you want these people in your life?

If you really can't say no, just tell her your daughter won't be at the club this Friday. Let us know how long it takes before she tells you that she expects you to take her daughter anyway.

They are not your friends.
They have no respect for you.
Be a role model for your daughter.

BoomBoomsCousin · 16/01/2020 01:28

Definitely not too rude OP.

Personally I would change
"as I can no longer get to yours and still make it to the club on time."
to
"as I no longer have the time to get to yours."
and
"Either way, I'm still able to (or more than happy to?) drive her home and drop her off at yours"
to
"Either way, I'm still currently happy to drive her all the way home."

It doesn't hurt to subtly reference the fact this is something you need to be happy to do and that they shouldn't think of it as a right.

Whiskeychaser · 16/01/2020 01:30

OnTheEdgeOfTheNight, funnily enough because I've been aware of how my upbringing has turned me into a people pleaser I've really tried to make sure my dc are assertive and confident.

My dc generally come to me when they have a problem and I always advise them to be fair but to stand their ground. I try to give them the advice I wish I'd been given when I was young.

My dd was successful in standing up to this friend early last year and things have been much better since then, and my dd is now able to say, to anyone, eg, "no, that doesn't work for me" (and leave it at that), so I'm really proud of her.

I just find it a lot more difficult to do the same myself. Hmm

I really wouldn't want/expect her to pay for my coffee, that's not why I do it, and I'm more than happy taking turns to pay for each other. I also know money is tighter for her than it is for me.

We've known each other almost 10 years, since the girls started school, although we became closer over the last 5 years. She has helped me out in the past (eg, having my dd stay over for the weekend when I was recovering from surgery). She always says I'm doing her the favour as it keeps her dd company whilst she works weekends, but I've always really appreciated it.

On balance, I do more favours for her, especially over the last 3 years, but I don't count it like that and I'm happy to help them out as we're friends, and I like helping people anyway. I think that's why I didn't think this would be an issue and her response has knocked me for six, if I'm honest.

OP posts:
AvaSnowdrop · 16/01/2020 01:43

She’s a CF. I’d just say my schedule has changed and I don’t have time to drive to your house, we’ll be leaving from my house at 6pm if you want to get in the car with us. It’s up to you if you want to come over and get a lift or not.

Whiskeychaser · 16/01/2020 01:45

OnTheEdgeOfTheNight, that's exactly what I said to my dd!

I said, if it was a bf behaving like this I'd be trying to stop you seeing them as this is controlling & bordering on abusive. Just because this is just a friend doesn't make it any more acceptable.

I'm glad you've told me what's going on, but if you aren't able to, or don't feel able, to sort it out with my help/advice I will be telling her exactly what I think about her behaviour and she'll no longer be welcome in this house.

That's another reason my NY resolution is to be more assertive myself. I realise that I need to practice what I preach.

OP posts:
ReturnfromtheStars · 16/01/2020 01:46

To be fair, apart from the main issue (and I agree, your friend is unbelievably cheeky), it's just plain crazy to choose a 15 minutes car ride over a 10(!) minutes walk any day.

It's a bit like those people who are too lazy to walk to their corner shop for bread, when in fact driving combined with parking takes longer altogether.

Whiskeychaser · 16/01/2020 02:00

I'll let you know how it goes, and what response, if any, I get from my text tomorrow.

I'm still really hopeful it goes well, as I do think she's a lovely person; just overworked and knackered, and so not thinking beyond her own needs (although I guess you could say the same about me!).

I did think I'd already been pretty clear that I want her dd to come to me for the lift, but will give it one last try.
I think I might just be seeing where the dd gets her attitude from, and although being assertive isn't a bad thing, I think it can be taken too far.

OP posts:
JollyHolly30 · 16/01/2020 02:18

Stand your ground here. If you back down this time you'll never break the 'habit' of being her errand boy.

squeekums · 16/01/2020 03:06

I don't drive op
She is taking advantage
No way would I ever commit another parent to such a routine.
Even as a random once off lift, I'd still be happy to do it the way it's easier for you, your the one kindly giving a lift. Your not my chauffeur

I don't even expect dp to drive me round like that.

Tell her it's your way or no way, simple

squaky · 16/01/2020 03:13

Her text was extremely rude. Yours is still way too nice. I think you need to remind her you're actually doing her a favour and what's not on is her entitlement. You can't lose a friend you don't have op.

TruculentandFarty · 16/01/2020 04:01

Honestly, it isn't rude enough. She should have been paying for your petrol from day one. She should have insisted. It doesn't matter that you were going anyway. Or she should have offered once a month or so to take the girls by taxi so you could have a break. Or she should have her daughter write you a card and buy a big bunch of flowers to thank you.

You are paying to maintain a car
You are paying for all the petrol
You are spending hours EVERY Friday evening doing this

You don't want the money, but that does not negate the fact that she is freeloading and doesn't appear to be even slightly grateful.

I agree with Squaky that her text was extremely rude and you need to remind her that you have been doing her a big favour for a very long time.

The single mum stuff isn't really relevant. Neither is your SAHM stuff. What is relevant is how you are being treated.

"Dear Friend, we have been doing this every week for two years, I have paid for everything, both with my time and money. I was willing to do this favour for you because it was nice for the girls to both go.

I can't continue this way even if you don't want to believe me.
I am willing to take her if she can be at my house by 5.55pm at the latest."

mathanxiety · 16/01/2020 04:05

Also, we've had problems with this girl in the past (last year was particularly bad) where the more time she spent with my dd the more demanding of her time she became...

LOL, I wonder where she learned this behaviour?

SuperMeerkat · 16/01/2020 05:03

‘Happy to continue giving your DD a lift. We’re leaving from my house at 6pm every Friday. If she’s not there then i’ll assume she’s not coming and leave’

BlackCatSleeping · 16/01/2020 05:04

Yeah, I agree that your text was way too nice. You don’t need to explain or to justify yourself. It doesn’t matter if you are a SAHM and she works. You don’t owe her anything.

Stand firm. You’ve got this!!

Blondebakingmumma · 16/01/2020 05:18

I’m cheering you on. Show your daughter how to stand up to someone who is walking all over you. You sound like such a lovely person that I bet loads of ppl would love to be friends with you and I don’t think it will be sad if this lady stops the ‘friendship’

TreeTopTim · 16/01/2020 05:34

The text along with the suggested adjustments sounds reasonable.

I wouldn't worry too much about this girl and her mum. She doesn't sound much like a friend so you wouldn't be missing much if she was no longer in your life.

makingmammaries · 16/01/2020 05:52

Yikes. You’ve been doing way too much, OP. Stand firm (your latest draft is OK) and I suggest cooling it off with this family and looking for new friends.

DICarter1 · 16/01/2020 06:00

You sound like a good friend. She sounds like she royally takes the piss. Stick to your guns!

Ishotmrburns · 16/01/2020 06:10

Wow. Each update you post makes her sound worse and worse.

And this... but haven't said anything because I know I'm lucky that I don't work, and I do feel for her/admire her as she works really hard

I would drop that attitude right now. Your lives are what they are. Keep repeating your new year's resolution! Stop being such a doormat!

I know you say you don't have many friends but that's no reason to put up with shit. Shit friends are worse than no friends. You deserve better. Stop wasting energy being a lacky for this ungrateful woman and put that energy in to going out and about and meeting some new people.

Blahblahblah12345 · 16/01/2020 06:50

I think she is being a CF. Stand your ground OP.

Beautiful3 · 16/01/2020 06:50

Yes I think your text message is perfect. Let us know what happens.

eeyore228 · 16/01/2020 06:56

Sorry but she’s taking the piss. I don’t drive and my fab friend asked if my DD wanted to attend a club with her daughter in the next town over. She picks her up from mine but if she has to work late I pick her DD from school, I give them dinner and have them ready to go. If she’s running we walk to hers, irrespective of weather. I am eternally grateful to her for doing it and would never take the Mick. You need a new friend.

Yeahnah2020 · 16/01/2020 06:57

So damn rude!!!!!! Say No. I’ve said it doesn’t work. See you there!

Yeahnah2020 · 16/01/2020 07:00

OP you are being really sweet giving them lifts in the first place. I think your message is clear and very nice. Good luck. Whatever happens, you’ve been very nice