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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
Whynosnowyet · 16/01/2020 09:13

Alternatively send her a taxi number...

VenusOfWillendorf · 16/01/2020 09:15

Its certainly not unreasonable to ask her to come to yours instead of picking her up. And her texts to you are CF at its finest.

But if it's been causing stress for you since the summer, and you're sitting having coffee with her for two hours most Fridays, why would you not bring this up in conversation rather than out of the blue by text?
Surely it would be far better to just have a discussion, and then decide together what to do? Of COURSE you don't have to - and you certainly don't owe her anything, quite the reverse - but a lot of resentment on your part and piss-taking on hers could have been avoided by just having a conversation.

If it was just the two of you, she sounds like a friend you don't need. But for your DDs and the other girls sake, it would be a lot nicer if you could resolve this together, and face to face is generally better for all concerned, particularly when you are dealing with a classic CF who only sees from her own point of view.

spongejack · 16/01/2020 09:18

What @Whynosnowyet says! Tell her to download the Uber App!

neverornow · 16/01/2020 09:24

That is really, really cheeky. Especially the comment about you coming to them so as they would have more time at home!!
I would speak to her in person and gently tell her that this is her only option; they come to you going forward or you leave without them.

TorkTorkBam · 16/01/2020 09:25

Your proposed message is still too people pleasing.

Try

Hi X, "that's not on", you crack me up. Just to confirm from now on if Y wants a lift she has to be at mine for 6pm for prompt departure. We won't wait if she's late so make sure she gets out on time! I will drop her home after the club.

Do not mention "still" or "as usual" or any of that. It reinforces thinkimg of the old way as the normal way.

Call out the it's not on in a joke way so she has a chance to recover the friendship.

No reasons, no excuses. Decision made. Not a negotiation. She is not your boss.

PegasusReturns · 16/01/2020 09:28

I think I’d go with the nuclear option on this one - telling you your behaviour is “not on” is outrageous!!!

Nomorelaundry · 16/01/2020 09:31

I wouldn't send that text. I wouldn't send any text.

Come Friday I would follow your plan. Do not go to her house. Leave yours for the club at 5:55. If she's there great. If not. Not your problem.

When she starts texting ignore until you reach the club and reply

"As I said I will no longer be collecting you. I will be leaving my house Friday at 5:55 if you arrive by then I will take your DD to the club. If you're not we will be leaving."

TorkTorkBam · 16/01/2020 09:34

Whatever her reply to you today, I would make that the end of any messaging on the topic. At 6pm I would get in the car with DD and drive direct to the club. If the other girl is at yours at 6 she comes too. You have all the power. Switch your phone off at 5.30, switch it back on after club drop off (to save your people pleaser MH). If she's been messaging, no matter what crap she comes out with, ignore it, and respond "To get a lift with us, she has to be here by 6pm."

strawberry2017 · 16/01/2020 09:34

You have gone over and above for this family, taking in her parcels and dropping them off, taking her shopping as well as the lifts.
I think you have been too nice. She's taking the piss and I don't think what you have asked is unreasonable.
Stay strong 💪

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 16/01/2020 09:35

Really hope your friend realises a) how rude she's been. b) how much extra effort you've been making for TWO YEARS by going 15 mins in the wrong direction to collect her....

So many people who don't drive and who want lifts just don't realise it's not just the financial cost /wear and tear..
It's the opportunity cost... Missing other stuff as you're now doing this 'extra'
And also the increased risk of being held up..

And the sheer thankless Ness!

WhatsTheLatest · 16/01/2020 09:37

It's not on Grin brilliant! She actually thinks she is your employer with no pay!!

Urkiddingright · 16/01/2020 09:40

Sometimes you have to accept your children can’t do certain things if you cannot physically get them there yourself. If you’re a non-driver or can’t afford to run a car then there will inevitably be some groups your DC simply can’t attend. She either needs to learn how to drive or accept her DD can’t go, she can’t keep using you as a free taxi service.

Nomorelaundry · 16/01/2020 09:41

Also you don't owe her because you're a SAHM. Is she facilitating this? Is she paying your bills?

No? Then your family set up is nothing to do with her.

Whynosnowyet · 16/01/2020 09:42

Not sure if it's been suggested but at 14 can they not get the bus??

FraglesRock · 16/01/2020 09:46

I actually think you handled it well and with confidence. However the replies you have received have been so entitled it's unbelievable. They're not from a friend they're from someone who is so used to using you for her benefit that they no longer see you as an equal player.

Can you imagine receiving your first text and replying anything else other than "of course, we're so grateful for your lift, see you friday"

I think you need to be more unavailable and see if it's still a friendship.

Blackbear19 · 16/01/2020 09:57

OP will your DD be happy to continue to go to the club without her friend? I think that will influence how you deal with the whole thing.

Highonpotandused · 16/01/2020 09:58

I would also stop accepting parcels and shopping trips. Her attitude to you is ‘not on’ OP.

khaleesiofthegreatgrasssea · 16/01/2020 10:05

I think PP have said it too but please don't ask her to let you know if her DD won't be there on time! Just tell her what will be happening from now on.

"I think you might have misunderstood me. I'm telling you that the current arrangement can't continue. From now on I'll be setting off from my house at 6pm and driving directly to the club. If Petunia is at my house by then, she can come with us. If she does come with us, I will drive her to your house afterwards."

BlueChangeling · 16/01/2020 10:08

You're not be unreasonable, your friend is being unreasonable with her responses.

Vulpine · 16/01/2020 10:09

Send her the details for a driving school

MsMellivora · 16/01/2020 10:18

Never ever feel guilty for not working as you have a disability, I also had to stop working due to health reasons and have to be careful with what I use my energy for as I have a lot less.

katy1213 · 16/01/2020 10:29

What @nomorelaundry said. No discussion needed, you have said what's happening and that's all there is to it. If it her daughter misses the club before this sinks in, so be it.

mummmy2017 · 16/01/2020 10:30

Just keep repeating to her.
Either your here for 5.55 or make your own way to club and we will see you there.

Highonpotandused · 16/01/2020 10:44

Petunia 😂🤣

TorkTorkBam · 16/01/2020 10:54

SAHP currency is time.
WOHP currency is money.

You giving her your time is the equivalent of her giving you her money.

Treat your time like it is money. Don't spend it mindlessly. Protect your budget.