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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
Retroflex · 15/01/2020 23:01

To her message "it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'."

I would reply *"I'm sorry that you are finding it difficult to understand, despite me telling you that it does indeed make a difference to me, but if you are not here by 6om I'll assume you have decided not to go this week"

BumblePan · 15/01/2020 23:03

I have just seen the other thread about lifts. Theres some great advice on that.
I am raging for you op.

Dear CF mother, I know that you have really appreciated my lifts over the last two years and I was delighted to help out. Unfortunately I am no longer in a position to collect from your place, but I can provide a lift from my place as I know buses are expensive to x location.

northernlittledonkey · 15/01/2020 23:04

Crikey, they’ve had lifts for 2 years!! You’re totally within your rights to change to a pattern that suits you!!

TrainspottingWelsh · 15/01/2020 23:04

If she works long hours she probably doesn't understand why a 30/40 minute gap is a problem once a week for you. If she works long hours and doesn't drive then she probably does genuinely need that time more. But as it's not a two way favour, she's rude and ungrateful as fuck to complain about it.

But as the dd shouldn't miss out because of her rude mother, I'd say she was welcome to come straight from school with your dd, or walk round anytime before 6. Depending on their probable finances, I'd also suggest they got an Uber/ taxi round in bad weather.

Mads123 · 15/01/2020 23:04

She could get a taxi to you, wouldn't cost that much and considering they've paid nothing so far they're taking the piss.

Knittedfairies · 15/01/2020 23:07

She's not your friend OP; she's using you. I like kanga83's suggested text - why is her time more valuable than yours?

lollybee1 · 15/01/2020 23:07

You need to tell her straight. Either her DD gets to you or they can make their own way to club. You may be trying to cling on to her friendship but no-one needs selfish friends.

messolini9 · 15/01/2020 23:08

they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home
CF does not give a moment's thought that YOU, the lift-giver, might also want more time at home

she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
When you politely explain your difficulty, she simply makes her demand again

I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me
It makes a huge difference to you - you are late 66% of the time for the activity, & needlessly stressed

I really don't want to fall out over this
I'm getting the feeling that if this "friend" who you have helped out for 2 years doesn't get her own way that she will decide to fall out with you anyway.
So you may as well let rip.
How often do you see her socially?
How often does she contact you just for social, not lifts?

This "friend" is very insistent that she's owed your time, & that her inconvenience trumps yours, isn't she? I'd tell the ungrateful twat that she need to start considering other people a lot more, & stop expecting you to make yourself late because she's decided her time is more important than yours.

Crazyoldmaurice · 15/01/2020 23:08

"I've been happy to pick your DD up and drop her back for almost 2 years now but I have other commitments that day now which mean I get home on Friday and have zero time to get dinner ready before I have to rush off to pick your dd up. I could really do with those 15 mins extra just to get food on the table so it would be so much easier if DD could get here at 5.55 on a friday to spare me the extra stress and rushing around as currently I spend my whole friday feeling exhausted from it all and like a bit of a taxi driver. Happy to drop DD off as usual but from now she'll need to make her way here as picking up just isnt working for me anymore."

JasonPollack · 15/01/2020 23:09

How rude she is! Plenty of the texts suggested here would be fine depending on how blunt you want to be. Maybe just clearly stating that it does make a difference to you- an extra 15 min at home when you're not back for very long.

As an aside OP you sound very stressed out overall. Money and time are always tight but if you have any spare put them into some self care. You know what relaxes and calms you, do it more. I find mindfulness exercises very effective when I have the energy. I downloaded some short guided meditations (like 10 min) for free and they make a real difference. Take care of yourself Flowers

Drum2018 · 15/01/2020 23:09

@NotSorry I read that too after seeing it recommended here and I bought it for a friend recently.
@Whiskeychaser plenty of suggestions there to text her. Do not cave on this issue. She can piss right off! Can't believe she doesn't buy the coffee for you each time she goes - tight cow.

NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite · 15/01/2020 23:09

Not a chance in hell that I would pick up DD's friend again. Her mother is such a CF. If her daughter is not prepared to walk to your house then let the mother pay for a taxi to your house or the club. If the girl managed to get to the club I would, however, offer her a lift home.

LadyMacbethWasMisunderstood · 15/01/2020 23:13

You are unreasonable to have tried to do this by text. The arrangement was so embedded that it needed a face to face chat or at least a phone call to put it straight. You are not unreasonable to stop the arrangement though.

MumW · 15/01/2020 23:15

CF!
it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out,

How about saying something like

"I'm sorry that you feel that way but it does actually make a huge difference to me. The additional pressure on time is stressing me and I need more time at home. I will, of course, drop off at home after club, but picking your DD up beforehand no longer works for me. I'm more than happy for DD to arrive anytime after so that she doesn't need to walk in the dark."

Travis1 · 15/01/2020 23:15

Think I’d tell her to sod off altogether

mathanxiety · 15/01/2020 23:17

"Hi ''Friend'.
I am sorry you can't understand that it does indeed make a huge difference to me. I simply cannot pick up at your house any more. Let me restate the solution to the problem: you need to find a way to get your daughter to my house by 5.55 pm if you want me to drive her to the club."

messolini9 · 15/01/2020 23:17

Dear CF
You seem to have lost sight of the fact that I'm the one who's been doing the favour for the past 2 years, & become very set on the notion that your time is more valuable than mine & that I ought to run around after you but you won't help make that

Like you, I need to leave as late as possible for the activity on Friday. It's no longer possible for me to drive to you beforehand & still make the activity on time. I'm still happy to take your DD, & she's welcome to come here before dark after school & hang out with us before we all leave together. But from now on we'll be leaving at 5.55pm on the dot, so if you want her to have a lift, make sure she's here by then.
Cheers
Whiskey"

mathanxiety · 15/01/2020 23:18

You may find if you stop explaining all the details of why you are not able to do it that she pricks up her ears and pays attention. Don't include any explanations in your communications with her.

Deadsouls · 15/01/2020 23:20

I think its great that you been able to state your position clearly and reiterate it. I'd encourage to stick to your boundary as if you cave you will end up feeling resentful, stressed and pissed off. Keep to boundary calmly and avoid getting drawn into any emotional dialogue. You also don't need to apologise as you're not doing anything wrong.
The arrangement no longer suits your time commitments. It's as simple as that.
If they want a lift to the club and lift home they are welcome to walk to your house or get a taxi at your convenience since YOU are the one helping them out.
If it is rainy and dark, they can get a taxi.
The mum is being unreasonable as she is only thinking about her needs and not able to open her mind just a little to consider yours.
Look upon this as an exercise in setting boundaries.
You've stated your position and its up to her what she decides.

messolini9 · 15/01/2020 23:20

ooops -
"but you won't help make that easier for me to do."

Deadsouls · 15/01/2020 23:20

*encourage you

justmyview · 15/01/2020 23:20

Be polite, friendly and firm about what you are (not) willing to do. You don't need to be aggressive / unfriendly about it. How about "I was happy to help, but it's no longer suitable for us to detour via your house. I'm happy to continue to take your DD to the club if she can be at our house for 6pm, but otherwise my DD will meet her there"

needanewnamechange · 15/01/2020 23:22

Instead of texting speak to this woman . You are a stay at home mum she works full time .

She doesn't want her daughter walking and tbh I wouldn't in the winter .
Speak to her face to face not by text . She is not a cf no one is it's just you have decided to change the arrangement without discussing properly .honestly tomorrow give her a ring and say we need to sort a new arrangement out . There is nothing wrong with that but the way you are going about it is wrong by texting .
Speak to her !!

BackforGood · 15/01/2020 23:23

I too think you've been putting too much information in about 'how it is making you stressed' etc.
Just text and say
"My circumstances have changed in the last two years I have been taking your dd to club every week. I can no longer pick her up. I will still be taking {insert your own dd's name} to club and we will aim to leave the house at 5.55. If your dd is at our house by then, I am still very happy to take her. I am able to bring her back to your house at the end but I can't fetch her from your house before we set off for club. Up to you and {insert her dd's name} as to what you choose to do.

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 15/01/2020 23:26

My circumstances have changed in the last two years I have been taking your dd to club every week. I can no longer pick her up. I will still be taking {insert your own dd's name} to club and we will aim to leave the house at 5.55. If your dd is at our house by then, I am still very happy to take her. I am able to bring her back to your house at the end but I can't fetch her from your house before we set off for club. Up to you and {insert her dd's name} as to what you choose to do.

This is perfect.

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