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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
Caselgarcia · 23/01/2020 12:01

I agree, good response. Now it's time to draw a line under it. Don't engage further, you've made your position clear.

lola006 · 23/01/2020 12:03

Great reply, OP! I’ve been following along from when I last replied (early on, page 5 maybe) and as another SAHM who does favours for everyone and is a people pleaser I’m oddly proud of you, being that I don’t know you :)

If you have mutual friends there’s a chance you’ll hear a few ‘well Whiskey just sits around all day and doesn’t work” type comments, DON’T defend what you do all day to anyone. As someone above said, when you forgo working to facilitate your family life that doesn’t mean you’re on the hook for facilitating other families lives.

Lastly, ditch the dog commitment. You agreed in the belief that you were friends. She’s effectively ended the friendship. Just say you can’t do it anymore. She’ll have to use kennels like most people.

MzHz · 23/01/2020 12:04

Incidentally.. what do we think are the odds that CFDD will turn up tomorrow anyway...

lola006 · 23/01/2020 12:04

On reflection, wouldn’t that 15min walk be good for the dog?! Kill to birds with one stone and all....

Whiskeychaser · 23/01/2020 12:05

I've literally just had a further reply from her simply saying:

'I won't argue, but I can see that we're not going to agree whose (sic) right in this situation'

What the fuck does that even mean??!!

I may just have to hide my phone as I'm not dignifying that with a response.

OP posts:
fedup21 · 23/01/2020 12:06

'I won't argue, but I can see that we're not going to agree whose (sic) right in this situation'

What a bitch.

Please reply and tell her that you won’t be looking after her dog, then move on.

piefacedClique · 23/01/2020 12:07

Just set a laughing emoji! Or a 🦇 💩! Her entitlement is laughable! Guess you don’t have to dog sit now either!

billy1966 · 23/01/2020 12:07

Don't respond OP.

There is nothing further to say.

Notwiththeseknees · 23/01/2020 12:07

Yours was an excellent text but I would have added "and you can shove Mutley up your arse too" .

MNersAreBatshit · 23/01/2020 12:08

I'd reply that you'd polled over 2000 people and 97% agreed that you are right

MzHz · 23/01/2020 12:08

Surely the only way left for her now is to acknowledge and apologise

You’d think so wouldn’t you @mummykauli7, but CFs don’t work like that and the rest of us would not even let it get there!

I’m astounded by all this! It’s incredible

Given that mumsnet represents all kinds of people from all over the world, are there some on here who actually behave like this? Wonder what goes through their minds when they read threads like this one - and sadly there are many!

MaggieFS · 23/01/2020 12:08

"If that's how you want things to be, so be it. Don't forget to find a new dog sitter".

cstaff · 23/01/2020 12:09

Well done OP. It is not about who is right (even though we all know you are) - it is about her not even acknowledging the fact that you have been driving her dd for two whole years and have got nothing back in return. I would definitely leave it there.

When it gets nearer the time of looking after the dog - you just have to have plans. You and her are not friends - friends do favours for each other - what has this woman done for you apart from use you as her chaffeur.

OnTheEdgeOfTheNight · 23/01/2020 12:10

No need to reply.
Key concentrate on what's best for yourself and your daughter. The less contact with those two, the better. Fridays might be a little odd but within a few weeks your daughter will enjoy the club more, have more friends and you'll not look back.

(And don't look after her dog, it'll backfire if you do.)

Whiskeychaser · 23/01/2020 12:10

Thanks for all the support though, it has really helped me stick to my guns!

Also been interesting to see it from other's points of view.

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Crazyoldmaurice · 23/01/2020 12:10

Omg she is nucking futs!

Who is right in this situation is the one who has been doing a solid favour without so much as a thank you for 2 years!

I'd have no bloody clue what to reply with either, you cannot reason with crazy and she clearly has no idea how crazy she is.

MzHz · 23/01/2020 12:11

If she had actual friends she could ask them what they think about who’s right here...

But she doesn’t

What a shocker.

AryaStarkWolf · 23/01/2020 12:12

'I won't argue, but I can see that we're not going to agree whose (sic) right in this situation'

I would reply with

"Wow, no good deed goes unpunished eh?"

Also I would not be looking after that ungrateful cunts dog either

Drum2018 · 23/01/2020 12:12

Good response. If she bothers to reply I really wouldn't bother engaging with her any further. You've said your piece enough times. She's either just too fucking thick to understand your point of view or just doesn't give a shit about you - most likely the latter. Don't even think about minding her dog. Any parcels that may arrive to your house should not be accepted, even if she uses your address - you tell the courier nobody by that name lives at your address.

No doubt her dd will try to guilt your dd. Give your dd ideas of what she can say if the girl says anything face to face - 'it's a shame your mum couldn't walk you to mine', 'it's a shame your mum stopped you going to the club'. Under no circumstances are you or dd to take any bit of responsibility for the girl dropping out of the club. And tell the club leader too. Go as far as showing them the ridiculous manipulative texts from crazy bitch. If the other girl messages your dd tell her to screenshot them, send them to you, and delete them. She should not reply to any more texts relating to the club.
Hopefully your dd will thrive at the club now, meeting new friends and being able to spread her wings without the other girl holding her back.

Deep breaths - you have succeeded in ridding yourself of one horrible bitch of a CF!

Whynosnowyet · 23/01/2020 12:13

Imo you need to tell her how to join mn and look at this thread...

Whiskeychaser · 23/01/2020 12:13

I also feel a bit sorry for the dd (& mine), & I'm not quite sure what to do if she turns up tomorrow, especially if her mum is with her, as I'm done now!

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Crazyoldmaurice · 23/01/2020 12:14

You withdrawing your door to door taxi service doesnt need anyone to agree who is right in this situation either as surely it is always the person who has been giving the favour who gets to decide the terms of the agreement.

SunshineAngel · 23/01/2020 12:14

The simple fact of the matter is that you are not responsible for this other child in any way, shape or form. You are being nice to offer a lift at all, in whatever form it comes. The mother should learn to drive herself if she wants the convenience of having a car at her beck and call.

Whynosnowyet · 23/01/2020 12:14

Send your dd off in a taxi. Be at home in your pj's with a big glass of wine in hand...

fedup21 · 23/01/2020 12:15

I also feel a bit sorry for the dd (& mine), & I'm not quite sure what to do if she turns up tomorrow, especially if her mum is with her, as I'm done now!

Leave at 5 and take your daughter out for a quick tea before the club-avoids the problem m.

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