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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
mbosnz · 23/01/2020 11:33

That's not kicking off.

I'd respond with, 'just to clarify, the one preventing your DD from going is you, you're being tired at the end of the week is not my problem to alleviate. Anyways, offer withdrawn, make sure you find someone else to deal with your dog, not engaging with you or your daughter about this anymore. Please don't try and drag my daughter into it again, or allow your daughter to harass mine about this again, as it now a done deal. No lifts'

And block.

Whiskeychaser · 23/01/2020 11:33

I've just replied.

I cannot state more clearly that I'm happy to drive your dd there and back tomorrow, as I have been doing for the last 2 years. .
All I asked for was a bit of help from you to facilitate this.
If you'd rather cause problems between our dc and stop your dd doing something she enjoys just to score points, then you're not who I thought you were.

If this negatively affects their friendship, this is on you, not me.

Friends don't treat each other like this. I've been happy to do you this favour for 2 years now, and the fact that you can't help me out to make my life that little bit easier says it all. We're obviously not the friends I thought we were.

OP posts:
Taylr1733637 · 23/01/2020 11:34

Wow all because she doesn't want to walk for 10 mins once a week! What an entitled idiot.

Then trying to put guilt on you as SHE is not allowing her daughter to attend the club.

AriadnesFilament · 23/01/2020 11:35

I’m internally cheering you. That was marvellous.
👍🏼

Suzysuz · 23/01/2020 11:35

I'd just leave it there now, don't reply it's all in her hands.

I'd read that under all this she has her views on the fact she's working, where as you're a SAHM so obviously must have loads of leisurely time to do this for her as if you owe her?!
I certainly wouldn't be looking after her dog.

Has she EVER done anything or a favour for you? If she's a friend, what do you actually get out of this (toxic) relationship?

Stay strong Flowers

RachelTension · 23/01/2020 11:37

Perfect response OP and tbh I think this would be the end for me. You've given her chance after chance to realise the error of her ways and she won't have it. You cannot engage with people like that. Disengage, block and preserve your mental health for your DD if for nobody else. This person is bonkers.

mummykauli7 · 23/01/2020 11:37

Good for you!

Also I would like to add that you have handled this whole situation with so much kindness and grace. You are an excellent role model for your daughter.

mbosnz · 23/01/2020 11:38

Good on you. As a fellow SAHM, I thoroughly commend you. We don't work outside the home to facilitate our family's wellbeing, not everybody elses. You don't owe her a thing.

KidCaneGoat · 23/01/2020 11:39

That’s a great reply. I also feel a bit sad for her DD. Imagine having a mum who wouldn’t walk you somewhere so you could go to your club. It’s so mean. That’s what parents do! They’re knackered after work but do things for their DC anyway. Btw I’m not implying that you should feel guilty. But that the mum clearly has no thought for anyone except herself. I bet it’s been a shock how much this has blown up. I’m really surprised that it has escalated like this. You’ve seen her true colours now.

piefacedClique · 23/01/2020 11:40

Yeah I would definitely revoke all offers now. Especially the dog one! Wow! Unfortunately your generosity despite her taunts is being taken advantage of and your risk becoming her doormat! Fuck her!

oldmcdonaldhadabarn · 23/01/2020 11:40

Perfect response op. Thanks

Anymore shit from her and you'd be perfectly valid in replying with

"oh fuck off Sandra"

ContessaferJones · 23/01/2020 11:41

Good for you. She can't really dispute that without sounding massively entitled! It's also not terrible that she sees you're hurt. I would be too.

nervousfirsttimer1985 · 23/01/2020 11:41

Well done OP. Just caught up with this all. That text is great. Don't let her guilt trip you. It is also her doing. Depending on her response I would also be saying I won't be looking after the dog either!

MasakaBuzz · 23/01/2020 11:42

Well done. Even the most placid of us has a stopping point. She obviously didn’t realise this was yours. More fool her.

This isn’t friendship. You have lost nothing.

Don’t look after the dog. As a dog owner and non driver you have to make sure that favours are repaid, precisely so resentment doesn’t build. She can pay for a kennel.

MoonGeek · 23/01/2020 11:42

Perfect response

hellsbellsmelons · 23/01/2020 11:43

Wow - well done OP.
Nice response!!!
The fact she won't walk for 7 mins with her DD says an awful lot about HER!!!
Selfish, entitled, bitch that she is.
What does she do for a job?
If it's like mine and she sits at a desk all day then a nice brisk 7 minute walk, once a fucking week, will do her the world of good.
The CFery is beyond belief with her.
So glad you are standing your ground!

Biber · 23/01/2020 11:44

Good response, Whiskey.

In a way, there are positives to be taken from this. You have massively gained in personal strength, seen through this individual for what she is and now your daughter can have time at the club with more freedom to make new friends. Well done.

It could still be worth giving relevant staff at the school a heads up that this could spill into school.

The dog. Let's see how she approaches that. Maybe she won't. Just expect you to look after the animal so that there would be no time for her to make alternative arrangements.

Be ready to initiate the subject a few weeks before the dog sitting date telling her that the arrangement no longer suites you.

If you do have to have more interactions by phone or face to face, practising saying ready prepared words to someone else would help.

AryaStarkWolf · 23/01/2020 11:49

OMG I hadn't clicked into this thread since last week because I thought it was sorted, my god, this is the cheekiest of all the cheeky fucker threads. She "doesn't see why she should walk after she's worked all day" I'll tell you why darling BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CAR AND I'M DOING YOU A FAVOUR NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND!

Jeez, no good deed goes unpunished eh?

toffeeghirlinatwirl · 23/01/2020 11:50

Oh OP, I hope you're okay?

MzHz · 23/01/2020 11:52

she doesn't feel she should have to walk after WORKING all day.

Told you... she resents the fact that you don’t

Why that is, your health etc is irrelevant to CFs like her.

Best possible response! Well done @Whiskeychaser

Noshowlomo · 23/01/2020 11:52

Great response!!

Psychologika · 23/01/2020 11:58

OP how jealous she and resentful of you she is absolutely screams from those messages - she is not your real friend and has never been.

FourDecades · 23/01/2020 12:00

I am absolutely ASTOUNDED that CF like this actually exist and have no insight to how someone else is doing them a favour....

CoraPirbright · 23/01/2020 12:01

Jeez all this drama over a walk of under 10 minutes! I am sorry for you that it has come to this - such a simple thing has given you so much stress. She is totally crazy and your last text was spot on. Well done OP

mummykauli7 · 23/01/2020 12:01

I wonder how she will now respond. Surely the only way left for her now is to acknowledge and apologise