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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
5zeds · 23/01/2020 09:26

No text. Part of stopping being a people pleaser is accepting that they are not pleased. You are allowing this far too much space in your life and far too much of dds headspace too. Respond to your own Dd saying how horrid for her friend that her mum says she can’t do the club any more, and that it’s probably best not to talk about it if it makes her sad. You need to move the narrative on. It’s not dds fault if her friends mum can’t get her to her lift. It’s not your fault either. You’ve said what you are happy to do, be at peace.

mummykauli7 · 23/01/2020 09:27

Suggested text:

"hello x. Hope you're well. There seems to be a misunderstanding with regards to the club on Friday. So I just want to be as clear as possible. I'll still be driving down from mine at 6.00, just make sure your DD is at mine before then if she needs a lift. If not, hopefully see you soon. "

This is clear and kind and I feel more in keeping with how you seem as a person and as a friend. If she responds in a more hostile manner then it will make the status of your friendship a lot more clear.

Whiskeychaser · 23/01/2020 09:27

I'm really stressing now, tbh.

I can't believe it's come to this when I just asked for a bit of consideration?!

I've already agreed to look after the dog. It's Friday to Monday and they don't have family/ anyone else nearby.
You'd think that alone would stop her being so hasty about this issue!

Really don't know what to do for the best.

OP posts:
Somanysocks · 23/01/2020 09:28

Ha, so it seems emotional blackmail works. Text her back 'you do know I've been doing you a favour all this time and it's very one sided'.

messolini9 · 23/01/2020 09:29

I would get your DD to reply with
I'm sorry your mum isn't helping you out'

Brilliant @Nomorelaundry.

& having now read @herbie01's advice about ANY further texting being seen as conciliatory in the light of CF now threatening her own child with punishment for CF's selfishness - yeah. Very good point.

Dustarr73 · 23/01/2020 09:33

I've already agreed to look after the dog. It's Friday to Monday and they don't have family/ anyone else nearby.

Thats not your problem though.Things have changed.Absolutley no way would i give a lift there and back,look after their dog after the way they went on.

CF started this,she has to realise there are consequences for actions.

SecretMillionaire · 23/01/2020 09:33

She’s being manipulative. Tell her that you will not be providing any further lifts and that you will not be caring for the dog in March.

You will never get her to accept that she is being unreasonable and she will always play the victim. If her doesn’t go that’s her choice. You can’t control her behaviour, only your own. If you want to be more assertive a role
model then this is the ideal time to show her that you can stand your ground. If you back down you will look as though you were full of bluster.

strawberry2017 · 23/01/2020 09:34

The CF just keeps getting worse! Time to stop doing any favours at all and go NC, keep supporting your daughter and it won't be long until they go there separate ways.

Cornishclio · 23/01/2020 09:35

It might be better for your DD if she didn't go with this other girl anyway so she can make new better friends. They both sound entitled.

Cornishclio · 23/01/2020 09:36

I also would tell her to make other arrangements for the dog as she has been so nasty about this. Point out you have been doing them a favour and they are ungrateful twats.

cstaff · 23/01/2020 09:36

Please don't text her anything at all OP - that is just her thinking that she can get around you. If she does message you just give a straight answer "we will be leaving my house at 6".

Regarding the dog - I think you need to have plans that you had "forgotten". I just couldn't bring myself to look after her dog after what she has put you through this last week and continues to do so. Let her go figure out her own problems - they are not yours to sort out.

MzHz · 23/01/2020 09:37

I think the comments about not replying because part of recognising that we’re people pleasers is that when we stop facilitating others in their CFery, they won’t be pleased.

We have to learn to as uncomfortable as it is for us.

That said, my small percentage of Gallic roots teamed with my Mama Bear tendencies make me want to react more vigorously with a hearty “you know what? Fuck it! The lift/help/favour train is cancelled, I’ve only asked for a small effort on your part to help me facilitate doing YOU an enormous favour week in and week out for TWO years when I have asked for and received nothing in return from you except your enormous sense of entitlement and ingratitude. Now you’re doing numbers on my daughter. Enough!”

5zeds · 23/01/2020 09:38

She knows she’s doing you a favour, she knows she can solve it by l

  1. letting her dd walk
  2. walking her Dd to yours
  3. getting a taxi to yours for her Dd
  4. getting a taxi to the venue You’ve been subsidising her daughters activity for two year already. Just STOP caring about her difficulties, engaging with what you have offered. If she’s at your house at 6 you can give her a lift, otherwise their evening is their business.
mummykauli7 · 23/01/2020 09:38

Just read the part about her dog. I'm assuming you have no pets yourself. It's a massive responsibility to have for a whole weekend. I would suggest that she makes alternative arrangements as "something has come up"

She seems to see you more as a type of unpaid babysitting service than her friend. A friendship should be 2 sided. Fair enough you are doing her a favour but then she should

  1. be extremely grateful

  2. make it as easy as possible for you to do the favour

  3. not act in a manner that makes it seem like the favour is actually some kind of responsibility that you owe to her.

You are not her partner. You are not her daughters father. Anything that you do for them is out of kindness and compassion and should be seen as such.

cstaff · 23/01/2020 09:38

TBH after the way she has carried on this week I would be hoping (if I were you) that she would stop coming to class with your daughter. You don't need people like that in your life.

MaggieFS · 23/01/2020 09:39

You just need to keep telling DD not to worry, and tell her friend's mum to talk to you

I thought what you said in your message here last night would be spot on to text to the CF:

"I wasn't asking for money, I wasn't asking her to take turns, I wasn't asking for something outlandish, I wasn't asking for any kind of contribution at all, just some consideration, but it appears as though that's too much to ask!"

Crazyoldmaurice · 23/01/2020 09:39

Your options OP are either call her out on her behaviour by text or in person, or do what others have said and just ignore her unless she approaches you about it.

Shes a crap friend. And she is being manipulative beyond belief. You don't need this.

I'd be ready to say goodbye to the friendship and grow a thicker skin as I'm sure she'll be moaning to any mutual friends about you.

fedup21 · 23/01/2020 09:40

I've already agreed to look after the dog. It's Friday to Monday and they don't have family/ anyone else nearby.

How much worse are you going to let her treat you whilst still agreeing to be her lackey!?

Give your daughter a better role model in life than a doormat.

Crazyoldmaurice · 23/01/2020 09:42

@MzHz mama bear reply is the one!

"you know what? Fuck it! The lift/help/favour train is cancelled, I’ve only asked for a small effort on your part to help me facilitate doing YOU an enormous favour week in and week out for TWO years when I have asked for and received nothing in return from you except your enormous sense of entitlement and ingratitude. Now you’re doing numbers on my daughter. Enough!”

TheMaddHugger · 23/01/2020 09:45

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CakeandCustard28 · 23/01/2020 09:49

Just seen your updates I would just tell her any more awkwardness about this situation then she’ll need to find a new dog sitter, as she’s being completely unreasonable and just using you now.

LemonBreeland · 23/01/2020 09:49

I've followed this whole thread OP, and I agree with not contacting her at all, certainly until after tomorrow night has passed. I would then send a text telling her to find someone else to look after her dog. She is so cheeky it's beyond my comprehension. I can't imagine ever acting this way.

TheMaddHugger · 23/01/2020 09:49

wrong link. ill see if I can get it removed

RachelTension · 23/01/2020 09:51

I'm trying to think what I would do and I think at this stage I would either call and speak to the mum directly and have it out or do as others have said and ignore. This is crazy, I'm sorry OP. No good deed goes unpunished, as they say.

MasakaBuzz · 23/01/2020 09:53

I think I would write to her now, via letter not text telling her that you are feeling completely abused by her and her daughter now.

Point out that what was you doing them a favour has become in their eyes a right. It isn’t, and never has been. You have been taking the daughter to this club for two years now, and never once has she offered to chip in for the petrol or even bought you a cup of coffee.

A relationship that is so one sided has become abusive. You are getting nothing from it other than abuse and hassle. As a result you are now opting out. You are not prepared to be complicit in your own abuse. Obviously they need to make other arrangements for the dog (things called boarding kennels exist).

Say what you think - politely. Block and move on.

This “friendship” is dead anyway, so you might as well have your say.

You will feel better for it.

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