Anyone found guilty you think is innocent?

[louise5754]

Lots of crime series around lately.

It does make you think especially ones where people have been accused of murder but there was no body or DNA.

I think there’s loads in America as the Police are not particularly interested in the truth but rather in convicting someone. Less so in the UK. The threshold for charging in the UK is high, with CPS not even considering charging without having a good chance of a conviction.

My two are Curtis Flowers and Adnan Syed. I really don’t think either of them did the crimes they were accused of.

JaneDarcy

Because they don't want their brother to fall into the same trap as them . They make money from crime and don't see away out . But hopefully the younger brother will see the sacrifice (prison sentence ) the brother is doing for him and turn his life away from going down that road .

The Margaret Fleming case, her carers are guilty as sin.

I believe there are definitely some people wrongly convicted. Not so much in the UK, unless as Namethecat has said, family members taking the blame for others. my uncles may have done this a couple of times

Dai Morris who was convicted of the Clydach murder. There was very limited evidence against him at the time of conviction and no DNA evidence.

The best part of 20 years on it has been discovered that male DNA was found at the scene including on the victims body and on the murder weapon. The DNA is not Morris’.

If you are interested in true crime / miscarriages of justice the recent book is a very good (but shocking) read.

At the time I doubted Luke Mitchell being guilty of murdering Jodie Jones but now I’m not so sure.

Namethecat, perhaps the jailed brothers want certain enterprises to continue to run smoothly by a family member on the outside?

@steff13
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/28/paige-chivers-murder-robert-ewing-sentenced-life-imprisonment
No body found. He was later found guilty of further offences
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-46182310

@louise5754 the Margaret Fleming case sadly only came to light because during the change over from dla to pip, Avril Jones made it sound like she needed 24/7 care, and the authorities wanted to check what support she had after she had admitted to Margaret "not having medical attention despite picking a hole in her head"

Had those two murderers not been so greedy, then that poor girl would have vanished without anyone knowing the truth about what happened to her!

Only Avril Jones and Edward Cairney know where her body is, and despite being found guilty by a jury of their peers, they are still preventing a lawful burial...

I’m not sure about Max Clifford. I think perhaps he had a lot of dirt on a lot of powerful people and they wanted him kept quiet. And then of course he died in prison. How convenient.

Sion Jenkins - didn't he do time and then get acquitted? I remember the smiling school photo of Billie Jo Jenkins on the news - wasn't Sion the Foster Dad?
I remember thinking that it just didn't all quite add up.

OK, sorry not acquitted, I believe the word am looking for re: Cliff R is exonerated. I thought his accuser's story seemed to not add up.

I can't say she did it the actual act but somehow I belive casey anthony had something to do with caylee Anthony's death, often think about that precious little baby girl.

Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey.

She is a lying little snake and it’s sad that people believe she is innocent just because she is an attractive young woman.

That's weird, because I got the impression that her being an attractive young woman was why people thought she was guilty.

A kind of resentment at the privilege that they think she has. And a belief that behind a pretty face lies a manipulative witch. Like the idea that she roped her Italian boyfriend into her web of lies, like people think Meghan manipulated Harry into moving to Canada and leaving the royal family.

@UrsulaBirkin I remember watching that documentary in our English GCSE class in the 90s, it was so upsetting and I don’t believe he did it either.

I always thought Dr David Kelly, weapons of mass destruction scientist was murdered to stop him speaking out - it was too damaging to the Blair government so he was bumped off and made to look like a suicide.

Speaking of witches, now they were most definitely innocent!

The Margaret Fleming case - I believe the 'carers' that were found guilty of her murder know a lot more than they are letting on. I have a horrible feeling that they brutalised her for years before she died.

I think they murdered her quite quickly. The talk about their house being party central and then changing around 1999 plus the letter from London makes me think she didn't last long in their "care"

To clarify my first post. I think they are as guilty as sin. They know what they did. I'm just curious at the murder conviction because, due to the passage of time, there's not really any actual evidence of what happened. I'm glad the jury did find them guilty, it's just interesting because the letter from London is the only real piece of solid evidence, everything else is circumstantial

newlifenewme

I think, IIRC, there was one accuser whose story seemed very doubtful, and I have a feeling that one was thrown out. There were others though. Other accusers I mean. Same with Jimmy S. I believe some of his accusers were very plausible and there were others less so. I think it i snot uncommon for this to be the case when a celebrity is accused of a sex offence though.

FWIW, I always believed Michael Le Vell- the story concocted by the accuser seemed unrealistic in the extreme. However, the courts are always going to have more info than we the public have. For the most part I am happy to let them get on with it, but yeah, there are some cases I do wonder about.

Brendan dassey and Adnan syed

because the letter from London is the only real piece of solid evidence, everything else is circumstantial

Margaret Fleming did not have the intellectual capacity to type that letter. She had a written vocabulary of about 100 words said her English teacher.

Whose fingerprints are on that letter ? Eddie and or Avril ? (some say he typed it not Avril). Were Margaret's finger prints found on the letter ? (they should have been if she typed it or was she dead by then ?)

I've sat through many cases in the UK as part of my job and I absolutely believe that there are many innocent people sitting with convictions. My opinion is that often, the future of somebody who is actually innocent yet accused is down to whether the defence or prosecution is better at debate and manipulation of the facts. It's like a game in so many ways. It's frustrating.

The presumption is 'innocent until proven guilty' yet the accused is usually placed in the dock - a glass box, with a security officer. Psychologically, to others, that makes you look guilty from the start.

I just don't think that the system always works and when it doesn't - how do we fix it? There is nobody to complain to! When somebody wrongly receives a conviction - there is little that they can do about it. It can be devastating.

Patrick Frazee - recently convicted of killing his fiancé Kelsey Berreth in Colorado, no body ever found and I have no doubt that he did it.

I believe his girlfriend/bit on the side had much more to do with it than she is being pursued for though.