Anyone found guilty you think is innocent?

[louise5754]

Lots of crime series around lately.

It does make you think especially ones where people have been accused of murder but there was no body or DNA.

@anonacfr

There's no way Amanda Knox could have done it, surely? Guede's DNA was all over the crime scene and the body. There is no way there wouldn't have been some of Amanda if she was holding Meredith down etc as claimed.

I've always wondered if maybe she wasn't at the house/coming home and heard the struggle and played ostrich.

Of course it's far more likely she was just a kid who got caught in a kafkaesque nightmare of bizarre accusations.

One of her 'confessions' involved overhearing a scream, blocking the sound out, something like that? There was also missing digital activity from what they claimed to be doing (watching a film on a laptop, I think), and they admitted to being stoned.

The best way I could square that with all the other evidence was that they had actually been at the house possibly that evening, and knew Guede was there - completely uninvolved in the murder, but freaked out because they were high and perhaps invited him there to deal, and by the time they'd come to their senses, they'd already done too much 'covering up'.

@Snaketime

Johnny Depp

What was Johnny Depp found guilty of?

Or do you think that losing a libel case is the same thing?

Edward Earl Johnson. Wrongly executed. Watch 14 Days in May on iplayer. Breaks my heart

I agree it’s absolutely heartbreaking.

I have worked with people that have ended up serving much lunch longer than their original sentence because they don’t know how to play they game (emotionally immature some with learning difficulties) it’s tragic and shameful of our system. Often very young when they went to prison and very quickly became institutionalised (which happens alarming quickly)

Agree Amanda Knox is innocent she was an outsider and I suspect didn’t play along as she was expected to and it became personal

Brendan Dassey should not be in prison, absolute travesty that he was convicted given his confession was obtained under duress.

However disagree about a couple of others.

Jeremy Bamber is as guilty as they come and despite the woeful police investigation he is exactly where he deserves to be, a nasty manipulative psychopath.

Oscar Pistorious....anyone thinking g he is innocent needs to have a good read of the gaslighting Reeva Steencamp went through during their relationship. Have a listen also to the Real Crime Profile podcast about the case. That's presented by Laura Richards who was previously head of the domestic homicide unit as New Scotland Yard and Jim Clemente who was a criminal profilers with the FBI. Their input is interesting and given their experience I have no reasons to doubt their opinions,

Another one for Amanda Knox,. How they convicted her at all is beyond me. Sion Jenkins was another bizarre one. I think he was an unpleasant character but the evidence just wasn't there. As far as I can remember, the main thrust was that he went to B and Q twice in one day and bought white spirit which he already had at home. On that evidence I should probably be in jail because we're perfectly capable of going to B and Q six times in one day if we're decorating AND of buying something we already have at home.

I think Michael Stone is innocent of the Lin and Megan Russell murders as well. He was convicted on a confession which he apparently made in prison to another prisoner though a cell wall and a shoelace which was found near their bodies when he was known to use a shoelace to tie around his arm when injecting drugs. There is no proof he was ever in the area.

Cases like these are why I would never support the death penalty.

jessstan1 Pistorius? On what basis do you think he’s innocent? He did confess to shooting her, it was justvwhether it was intentional or she was mistaken for an intruder. I must admit, I did have some doubts initially, as I’ve lived in South Africa so aware of how paranoid you can be with crime, as it happens often, and intruders are often armed. But when I read the books and saw the documentaries, seeing how he clearly had anger management issues, and discrepancies in his accounts, it seemed pretty much obvious that he lost the plot following an argument and shot indiscriminately through the bathroom door.

Margaret Fleming was desperately sad.

Bradley Murdoch, convicted for the murder of Peter Falconio, in the Australian outback, also to me is a conviction that I feel might not be a safe one. I’m more inclined to think peter’s partner, Joanne, knows far more about what happened than she said at the time.

Agree re:Michael stone - the evidence just isn't there. Bellfield seems a much more likely suspect

Yeah Michael Stone, he is a dangerous possibly psychopathic man but I don't think he killed the Russsels or attempted to murder the older daughter. The facts don't fit but having said that Josie is sure it was him.

This Lucy Letby case is strange. This is the third time they've come after her. I think they have a lot of evidence but maybe not the smoking gun. I also find it very odd that the hospital took her back on (apparently just administrative roles only but still...).

The police investigation clearly seems pretty sure it's her to arrest her again. For two years this case just disappeared out of the news, I think they've probably spent the time building a case.

Scott Peterson, I’m not entirely sure if he’s not guilty but I don’t think there was enough evidence to prove beyond all reasonable doubt. Especially considering he’s sitting on death row

Also looking at historic cases such as the Guildford Four & Birmingham Six. There are a shocking amount of miscarriages of justice.

@UrsulaBirkin

Edward Earl Johnson. Wrongly executed. Watch 14 Days in May on iplayer. Breaks my heart.

Remember watching this years ago and sobbing. And I don’t cry easily.

At the time I thought like Mitchell was innocent and was targeted because he was a goth but now it’s 17 years on I think of someone else did it surely they would have killed again as it was such a brutal specific way of killing someone?

The idea that whoever has done that is walking free is terrifying.

Lots of unsolved child/teen murders were probably Robert Black or Peter Tobin but we will never know.

I've been on a jury and really hope I never end up in front of one

The case I was on went on a majority verdict, main motive for getting it over with was it was Friday. Out of the 4 people who had an actual opinion it was a 50:50 split decision. After a few days the only other dissenter had given up, I refused to budge it went to an 11 to 1 decision and the fella got 13 years.

The 2 arguing for guilty had both expressed early on in the 6 week trial that if not guilty they thought the defendant was complicit so should be punished anyway

Fuck that, it's a lottery

I've been on a jury for a (really horrific) murder case. The pressure on us as jurors to get it right felt immense and we took it seriously. There was proper debate - in shocked at PP who said people wanted to rush for spurious reasons. I am confident that our verdict was the only one we could reach on the evidence presented. That said I wouldn't want to have to decide if the death penalty was still in force, that would be a huge thing to have on your conscience. Not securing a verdict (no qualms about the life sentence the murderer faces), but that you are condemning a fellow human to death.

Life raft do you know Barry? I have met him and it is obvious that he didn't do it. His sister wrote a book 'Stand Against Injustice'.

@karencantobe

Yes I wonder too if Louise Woodward is innocent. I think it is possible and I think she should have probably been found not guilty.

She was allowed to become a lawyer in the UK - the Law Society obviously didn't believe that she was guilty.

@FatimaMunchy

Life raft do you know Barry? I have met him and it is obvious that he didn't do it. His sister wrote a book 'Stand Against Injustice'.

I remember when he was 'done' for the crime of killing Jill Dando and Nick Ross spoke to the press saying, "I have no doubt the police have caught the right person". Yeah, right.

[quote yawnsvillex]@jessstan1 not in a million years! He's a nasty bastard. That comes from someone I know who trained with him.[/quote]
Hearsay.

It's funny how people always know someone who knows someone.

@jessstan1 I know right

Scott Peterson is a very unlucky man, who told his mistress that his wife had died and this would be his first Christmas alone. Blow me down, his wife was found dead just after Christmas. Her body was found in the same stretch of water where he had gone fishing on the day of her disappearance. Some people just have bad luck.

Or they are guilty as hell but as there is no DNA evidence they know they can sit back and say "not guilty" for as long as it takes to get an appeal heard.

Same goes for Adnan Syed. He was the last person to see Hae Min Lee alive, he "can't remember " his movements that day but because there is no DNA evidence he gets to play the victim forever with his adoring fans. There is only one victim in that case.

Jessstan1 Nick Ross has been on television since saying the same thing.

Same goes for Adnan Syed. He was the last person to see Hae Min Lee alive, he "can't remember " his movements that day but because there is no DNA evidence he gets to play the victim forever with his adoring fans. There is only one victim in that case.

@dayswithaY
And he's in jail for a life sentence, despite lividity evidence contradicting the state's timeline, having an eyewitness alibi for the time of the murder, performing a scheduled reading at the mosque during the 'burial' time and Jay's evidence showing evidence of coaching.

Also weird coincidence that Hae's current boyfriend Don faked his work records to show he was working during her murder (he wasn't), but was he uncontactable for the day of the murder until late that night (and used his fake work alibi to account for this), and then told police and others that Hae had run away to California.

I'm not sure what happened in that case but there's certainly reasonable doubt