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To think teacher shouldn’t describe child as arrogant?

251 replies

pinkgreenpurpleblue · 10/01/2020 18:58

AIBU to be uncomfortable with this adjective ascribed to (nearly 13 year old) child?

OP posts:
Hercwasonaroll · 10/01/2020 19:41

Definition having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

No judgement in there. Just a description. It's not a positive word but if they are arrogant it's a fair description.

NeverGotMyPuppy · 10/01/2020 19:42

I have privately thought many of my pupils are arrogant. I would never say it to a parent because 9 times out of 10 parents dont want the truth so i avoid it.

LolaSmiles · 10/01/2020 19:44

I agree daisy.
Well behaved but arrogant to me means they may not actively disrupt the lesson but the demonstrate a misplaced sense of superiority to staff and fellow students, are quick to decide they know best, and slow to respond to constructive criticism/feedback.

One student came to see me because they'd decided I'd marked their mock paper incorrectly because they had more ticks and had written more than someone they considered to be a "lesser" student.

I had already explained how the papers were marked but they still insisted that they were marked down because I didn't like their ideas. Their parents wanted the paper second marking by the head of department because apparently i had taken a dislike to their child. Hmm

PickwickThePlockingDodo · 10/01/2020 19:45

It's a judgement not a descriptor

Think it's both actually

mbosnz · 10/01/2020 19:47

One student came to see me because they'd decided I'd marked their mock paper incorrectly because they had more ticks and had written more than someone they considered to be a "lesser" student.

I had already explained how the papers were marked but they still insisted that they were marked down because I didn't like their ideas. Their parents wanted the paper second marking by the head of department because apparently i had taken a dislike to their child. hmm

OMG. I seriously don't know how you maintain your composure in the face of this kind of ridiculousness.

Piggywaspushed · 10/01/2020 19:47

Donald Trump is arrogant : this is both a judgment and a descriptor.

JosefKeller · 10/01/2020 19:48

I'd translate it as "is a little shit who think they know everything and they are a pain in the ass to teach, needs to come back down a notch"

Lulualla · 10/01/2020 19:48

Children can be arrogant little dickheads, especially in high school. We all thought we knew everything.. we didn't... but we acted like we did. And like what we had to say was more important than anyone else.

Obviously not everyone; but it's sort of one of the conditions of being a teen.

If he is being an arrogant git then do something about it instead of being angry at the teacher.

Jomarchsburntskirt · 10/01/2020 19:49

Sounds like child is arrogant and mother is defensive 😖

PickwickThePlockingDodo · 10/01/2020 19:50

Sorry, it the child in question a girl or boy, OP?
Only you said Maybe just discuss child’s academic abilities and behaviour and not pass comment on her personal view?

But then said

No, cohle I would prefer the teacher to say what is arrogant about his behaviour.

Confused
JosefKeller · 10/01/2020 19:51

why does it matter if the child is a boy or a girl? Teen can equally be little dickeads/ arrogant.

ddl1 · 10/01/2020 19:53

Depends on the circumstances. If it's just because they dared to disagree with an adult, YANBU. If it's because they think they're superior to others or always right, YABU. Many teenagers are a bit arrogant, and usually get over it sooner or later.

JKScot4 · 10/01/2020 19:55

I like to stick with the opinion that a good parent knows their child’s faults and can accept criticism of them.
OP you are woefully deluded if this has come as a shock that a teacher thinks your child is arrogant, I’m sure if you take the rose tinted specs off you’ll see for yourself.

Pieceofpurplesky · 10/01/2020 19:56

@LolaSmiles I have had the same with mock marking - I had a child day 'well how could x get higher than me as I am much smarter and have better vocabulary because of my family' 🤨
I told a group of boys in my form today that I was fed up with their arrogant behaviour - they are year 11 and if they don't stop thinking they are better than anyone they will flunk their exams.
I have also told many parents they have arrogant children. Funnily enough a lot of then seem to have parents that think they can do no wrong ...

LolaSmiles · 10/01/2020 19:58

mbosnz
It's an art form.

See also:
Why haven't I got an A on my UCAS predictions? Sally has an A and I'm smarter than her. / Parental complaint to head of 6th form because I'm clearly intimidated by their child's intellect.
Reply - Because you/your DC is working at a C on a good day, isn't completing homework and independent study and insists on handing in 2 paragraphs as an A level essay.
Why did you pull my child's exam paper down when they wrote more than David?
Reply - Because they ignored the instructions, wrote 2 pages for each of the short mark questions and barely attempted the 40 mark question.

pinkgreenpurpleblue · 10/01/2020 19:58

Her personal point of view being the teacher, pickwick, there’s really no need to pull faces at me.

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echt · 10/01/2020 19:59

Follow up with the teacher so that you know how the arrogance is being shown. I've encountered a fair few pupils in my time who I would consider arrogant, though I'd never say It to a parent.

I always describe the behaviour precisely, how it affects the classroom, and how it has to change.

beethecrackon24995 · 10/01/2020 20:00

stop being so precious. a 13 year old most certainly can be arrogant. not a nice trait either

minesagin37 · 10/01/2020 20:01

Behaviour- arrogant. It's quite simple. Someone in a professional capacity thinks your son is arrogant. Are you also a tad arrogant and it's hit a nail?

Craftycorvid · 10/01/2020 20:02

Just me feeling uncomfortable about character judgements about a child? Ie someone whose character is still very much forming? For the record, I think ‘x’s behaviour when they said/did was arrogant’ is acceptable but ‘x is arrogant’ is not.

pinkgreenpurpleblue · 10/01/2020 20:03

That’s how I feel about it crafty but obviously insults are par for the course, because obviously he’s been arguing about his essays Sad

OP posts:
echt · 10/01/2020 20:04

Their parents wanted the paper second marking by the head of department because apparently i had taken a dislike to their child

Ah, the personality clash, first port of call for the parent unable to deal with their child's behaviour/attitude/lack of attainment.

Daisy7654 · 10/01/2020 20:05

Arrogance is not ideal for exam or coursework success. Arrogant people will not accept criticism and often submit substandard work with full arrogance that it's brilliant.
Success comes from retrials and humility and a willingness to learn. Teenagers do not know everything.
I don't know how else you'd describe it but I'm not an English teacher.

Would 'condescending', 'superior' or 's/he always thinks s/he knows better than me which is mistaken, rude (by anyones standards inc in workplace) and misguided' be any better?

FabulouslyGlamorousReindeer · 10/01/2020 20:05

What context? Private conversation in the staff room? Discussion arrogant child with the rest of the class? Formal
meeting such as parents evening?

echt · 10/01/2020 20:06

obviously insults are par for the course

Apologies if I've missed something, but does this teacher routinely name call your son?