Harry and Meghan Resigning (Part Two)

[TheMustressMhor]

Following on from the previous thread, someone asked for another to be created.

Here it is.

I hope they are stripped of their brand. I really do. They can become HRH Prince Henry of Wales and HRH Princess Henry of Wales.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex needs to go to avoid them profiting from it.

I'll also mildly enjoy the glee of her royal title basically being her husband's name. 🤣

@BigChoc , with statements like "If it wasn't for Kate being so determined to be Queen, I wonder if William would have buggered off long ago", you lose any credibility to your argument. No need to defend one perceived slander with another obvious one.

@gindaddy okay but why is this being blamed on her? Perhaps this is his doing or the way they've done about it is his doing?

I don't pay much attention to either of them tbh but she gets so much flack and there seem to be loads of (negative) assumptions made about her specifically.

*I have been shouted down for assuming Meghan is the driver of all this).

Oh yes, nothing will get you accused of racist and sexist thought-crime faster than suggesting Meghan might be leading the way on some of this.*

Yes, of course she is behind this. He doesn't have the intelligence to think up something like this!

Frankly, he married up - if he was just Harry from a normal working/middle class background. Ex soldier (wouldn't have got into Sandhurst as too thick) no real qualifications, no other work experience. She wouldn't have bothered with him.

@kirinm

I think some of the over-proportioning of blame on Meghan is unfair. They present this new SussexRoyal thing as a couple, we should judge them as such.

What does make me leave much of the blame at her door is that

• This new website is basically a global "The Tig". It's made by the same people. It's her old "career" reborn with a huge new global stage.
• Harry used to be close to his grandmother. He was close to his brother. That's not "her" doing, but I can't see the Harry of five years ago turning his back on his Queen and ignoring his family to do something like this. Something has changed.
• The registering of all the brands is tacky, against protocol, and smacks of advisors preparing them for another life outside the Royals. Do I think this is more Meghan than Harry? Absolutely.

CornishMaid said He now had a young son and is seeing the same harassment being aimed at his wife and I think he can see history repeating itself and wants to protect his own family. Who can blame him for that.

If that is true then why not just go the whole hog and fuck off totally? Become private citizens, buy a house that's pretty isolated, don't take money off the British taxpayer and stop putting announcements and half your life on Instagram.

People say Harry is the driver, he's never been comfortable. So why hasn't he done this before now? Why all these months of planning and preparing websites and media coverage with high powered Canadian firms that Meghan had used previously?

No one would have a problem with them if they really did want to retreat into private life if that's what they actually did. Everyone would wish them well. But that's not what they are doing.

@ContentCast

Your posts don't make any sense to me, sorry if I'm missing the cleverness. We're not limited to 280 characters on Mumsnet if that helps.

@ShatnersWig

Snap, you put it way better than I did. Agreed totally; this isn't simply a retreat to solitude. This is a full corporate rebrand and launch.

This is a full corporate rebrand and launch

Spot on. But handled appallingly badly and either H&M are taking no one's advice and making a total pig's ear of it or they are listening to advisers, they should sack them immediately and put some damage limitation in place.

To go ahead with this without having taken the time to discuss it properly and fully with the Firm, who, by all accounts, were receptive to the notion but wanted to ensure it was properly considered and handled, is just bizarre. We know Charles wants to slim it down and this could all have been handled in a really positive way. The Firm may be an unusual family but its a bloody weird and rather unpleasant way to have treated them. Particularly on his grandmother, whom he was very close to, who has just had the Prince Andrew saga and Philip clearly in failing health and who herself is 93.

counties within Sussex

Actually she's got a point - there are two Sussex counties: East and West. I grew up in East Sussex. Believe me - knowing the difference is important to us!!

Agree with Shatners

I think Harry has probably been uncomfortable for a long time, but in Meghan he's found the catalyst. She knows how to do all this stuff (the website, the merch, the influencer bit). I suspect they worked themselves up into a tizzy of victimhood, and this is the outcome.

Which is not great for everyone else involved in the Firm, who are on the back foot and having to firefight.

I also think it's a bit off of her to bugger off back to Canada and leave him to the fall out on his own. If it were me I'd be shoulder to shoulder with my DH.

And back to the point about them being a target for kidnap/terrorism etc, it doesnt matter that they will no longer be important, they are famous enough worldwide for it to be news.

I think Meghan may be the brains who has worked out how they leave but I think why they are leaving is all Harry.

When Charles becomes King then William gets control of the Duchy of Cornwall and now we know that supplies 95% of Harry's current income. When William is King he would have 100% control of Harry's income. Imagine being beholden to your big brother for everything - including the home you live in and your wife's clothes budget.

I think he knew the only chance he had to be independent was to find a way to make a income that didn't rely on the family and also create a lifestyle that meant he didn't have to bow to royal protocol especially when one day the person setting all the rules and protocol was going to be his own brother. And he wanted to do it before William gets his hands on the Duchy of Cornwall and can potentially cut Harry's allowance.

And not just money issues when William is King he will get to choose what patronages everyone gets, will get the final decision on which tours etc everyone gets to do. Harry would have every aspect of his working life controlled by his sibling. The only way to prevent that is to create an independent life with independent funding.

Good points cabingirl, being beholden to one's big brother for everything would be a nightmare.

Imagine being beholden to your big brother for everything - including the home you live in and your wife's clothes budget.

Well, he's 35, and being beholden to his Daddy hasn't bothered him in the slightest all these years. It hasn't cared about where the money is coming from before, just that he got it, it's clear from the Sussex Royal website that actually he doesn't even care now. He just wants the money.

He has the HRH title because he's supposed to have a life of duty - to the Queen, to this country. That's his purpose in life, and in return for that he is handsomly paid.

If he doesn't want to do this, he should have quit long ago, before he personally benefitted from the HRH title and the adulation, before he lived in grace and favour accommodation for years whilst he lived the life of a playboy, before he got given an incredible house, before he made you and I pay £2m for the renovations, before he started preaching to us all about how we should live our lives and what a hard time he has had, poor Harry and all that.

He has completely failed in his duty and his sense of duty to the Queen and to us. He's copped out, and with that failure and lack of integrity should go all the titles and money too.

We can't get back what we as a nation invested in him to just damn well do his job. It's so wrong and so immoral of him, but that's the way it is. But what we can do is insist he doesn't get any more from the gravy train by pretending to honour the Queen and this country by popping back occasionally and cutting a ribbon once every few months.

@cabingirl

But they are used to being accountable To someone else for every aspect of their budget - to us it sounds very weird and controlling and uncomfortable. For them it’s how they have grown up and will be completely normal.

You look at the work of Angelina Jolie, an actress who potentially has made one good film in her career (for which she was richly awarded by the Academies)

I didn't realise Tomb Raider won Oscars!

It’s like being beholden to your boss. I worked in a family firm - there are obligations along with privilege.

@crispysausagerolls

Yes - he is used to it with his father and grandmother but I think he's hating the idea of being beholden to William - being told how to behave, where to go, threats of money being cut off if you step out of line.

It's one thing having a rift with your brother and not speaking for a while right now but in the not too distant future William would have real power over Harry's life and it's not too hard to realise that he wouldn't like that. He has the chance now to make a break for it and make something else work.

I'm not saying I like they way they have handled it but if it works they get the chance to make their own choices about what they say and do in public which they don't get to do as 'senior working royals'.

And they have moment right now - if it's going to work this is the time to try it.

^momentum

BigChocFrenzy it’s not as simple as waiting for your Granny to decide yay or nay - she’s the Queen of England fgs and various protocol needs to be adhered to. I’m sure that ultimately, if they want out then a scenario would have been agreed. To force it in this manner is rude to say the least and frankly foolish.

I can understand why they want to step down, it's not a shock. However, I think they want it all. They still want the income, house, lifestyle, money bits and the security that comes with their title but none of the duty of obligations.

That's fine if they want to stand down but they need to let everything else go too and not live off the state or cash in on their names. They shouldn't have it both ways- unfortunately I think they will.