Harry and Meghan Resigning (Part Two)

[TheMustressMhor]

Following on from the previous thread, someone asked for another to be created.

Here it is.

It's being reported that PH did try to speak to the Queen but was constantly being blocked. This isn't a normal family situation. The Queen isn't in charge. The people around her are. It sounds as if the only way to get the issue dealt with was to announce it. They then had no option but to speak to him.

The vitriol I'm seeing aimed at Meghan (not just hear) is genuinely surprising.

I have no problem with them ‘leaving’ the royal family - I do feel that they need to relinquish their titles - which makes sense. I have no opinion on Meghan - at the end of the day she is a mother trying her best!

Zara manages a separate life (driving ban in all!) but seems to ensure respect is given to the queen - certain family get togethers around Christmas etc so it is doable.

I’m not a royalist so maybe I don’t care as much.

I am judging on the disappearance back to Canada - that screams they knew their would be a push back. & very premeditated around website etc. That is running away knowingly from the fire you've created!! Also the whole choosing journalist ummm

I don’t think they should get the money for protection that can come from their own pocket & let them get on with it.

Please can we talk about other things - even back to Brexit ?

I agree @gindaddy.

They are basicslly telling their employer what they are going to do - part of the work only and setting up their own business while still being paid.

I wondered, when I heard that Meghan had gone back to Canada, where the baby was. Apparently he stayed in Canada whilst his parents came back to the UK for meetings, so the plan was always for Meghan to go back to be with him.

If you're not on a formal Royal tour, why would you have left your baby behind? I'd have brought him and the nanny over to the UK, unless there was some concern about being able to take him back out to Canada again.

I think Meghan is probably a person who doesn't really need family. People with crap families who go NC can often be quite strong and self sufficient and learn to go along nicely by themselves. Maybe she looked at the dysfunction of H's family and all the crap she got for marrying him and thought "hold on, I don't put up with this crap from MY family, I'm certainly not going to from his!" Maybe she's making this look easy because for her it is easy and she just wants out ASAP. I don't think this makes her a bar person tbh.

Skipping the whether they have gone about it the correct way side, I can understand it.

Meghan is getting a lot of blame, but I wonder if the driver of it is Harry. At the end of the day, he was young when his mother died and he saw her being pressured by the press (which some thought caused her mental health decline) and then being harassed by the media to her death. He now had a young son and is seeing the same harassment being aimed at his wife and I think he can see history repeating itself and wants to protect his own family. Who can blame him for that.

Terrible that a girl and a boy say they need to lead life with less stress - I mean how dare they!!

Bad not bar obvs

“ If you're not on a formal Royal tour, why would you have left your baby behind? I'd have brought him and the nanny over to the UK, unless there was some concern about being able to take him back out to Canada again.”

My concern would be little baby ears being subjected to the pressure etc on two long haul flights. Best he stay put IMHO.

*If you or I wanted to quit our jobs and move abroad in order to offer a better life to kids, that would be pretty simple. Millions of people do this. Why shouldn’t they•

Well, there’s the small fact that the reigning monarch is legal guardian of minor royal children, not the parents, under an 18th century law.

Wonder how that would play out in a US court if it ever ended up there. Archie is a dual national.

Well, two flights in three days or whatever it is.

No other couple in their 30s would be flamed for not waiting more months for their granny to agree,
instead of just leaving

As for the threat level:
judging by the amount of hate on these and many threads elsewhere, they would be a real target

@notkeen111

"Genuine question, why does anyone care about any of this?"

The British Royal Family traces itself back to the 10th century. A thousand years of tradition, which today is revered worldwide as almost a brand and symbol of Britain's prestige.

Within that family, a subset has decided to (literally) overnight change the terms of how it operates. That doesn't affect how the main core of the Crown will operate, but it calls into question a whole variety of things.

As a result, it's headline news as far as I'm concerned. Yes, thankfully no one has lost life. It's not technically geopolitical. It's not however insignificant when you consider the historic elements, the suddeness, the need from some areas of the press to interpret what it could mean for the RF after this.

Harry and Meghan should hang their heads in in shame about the way they have treated the queen over this.

Maybe that’s why they left him in Canada, because otherwise they would need permission to travel with him again.

I read that Charles had said fine, but show me a detailed plan and we can look at it in detail etc. Harry then tried to go over his head to the queen, who wouldn’t discuss it with him until he’d come to an agreement with Charles (which makes sense since Charles is being asked to pay for 95% of it!!)

Harry then seems to have got impatient with the whole (necessary) process and just launched regardless.

The palace was right, it IS complex, legally, logistically, financially. Sounds like the palace didn’t object in principle but wanted to work out the details before it was announced, but H&M have decided to do it the other way around.

They should go and hopefully all the rest go too too
All these middle aged hangers on being paid for by granny and a couple of others with inherited wealth
They should all be out earning a living, using their "brand" if that works for them

Royalty is a ridiculous anachronism in the 21st century

After Queenie dies, that should be the end of the monarchy
Ridiculous that a supposedly modern country has a hereditary head of state,
chosen entirely on birth order, not merit

Imaging if Andrew had been born before Charles .....

The response to the Insta release did not come till two hours later.

It was extraordinarily terse which is what has convinced me that the palace was not aware the announcement was coming.

Much of the 'insider source' stuff rings true as well.

The Queen needs to respond to this disrespect by making an example of them. I’m not even kidding. If two minor royals are allowed to blindside her so blatantly and give zero fucks, it sets a dangerous precedent. Surely she needs to flex her muscles a bit? What’s the point of her if she doesn’t have some power to keep the freeloading royals in line a bit?

I would like to see a headline like “Harry and Meghan told to renounce their titles and move to Canada. Frogmore cottage is no longer theirs. Security will be paid for by then privately. Daddy won’t be funding Harry‘a lifestyle” (or something a bit snappier 😁)

No other couple in their 30s would be flamed for not waiting more months for their granny to agree, instead of just leaving

This is deliberately simplistic and bordering on facile.

They might want us to think that all the suddenness and drama was necessary to escape the "clutches" of the Royal Family, but they didn't need their granny to "agree" - they just needed to respect their granny by telling her their plans, and perhaps even drawing upon 75 or so years of operating wisdom as head of the Firm.

For all we know, the Queen and Charles were looking at reforming anyway, post-Andrew. But it might not have come with multi-million dollar earning opportunities - hence the need for the Sussexes to jump the gun and get their empire started.

Terrible that a girl and a boy say they need to lead life with less stress - I mean how dare they!!

You'll see more flashbulbs, paparazzi and press in their face than ever before. This isn't solely about "stress" - this is about self-determination and power, and 100% about money and legacy.

What astonished me about all this is just how oblivious Harry and Megan seem to be to the current zeitgeist.

The days of the "entertainment celebrity", who uses their exposure to hawk ideas and goods, are pretty much over. Gervais was only reflecting a growing mood towards these types of extremely wealthy and privileged individuals, who appear to believe their mere existence means their utterances warrant global attention despite having not actually done very much personally to add real value to people's lives.

Those days are over. The structure Harry and Megan seem to want to pursue, which appears to be a kind of "uber-influencer" model, really requires a solid, trustworthy foundation of hard work and the careful delivery of a niche service to a target audience that values that service.

Again, why should anyone listen to their opinions about anything? What exactly have they done in life to warrant that? It's not exactly like Bill Gates talking about sanitation in African countries, is it?

Furthermore, they are coming out with statements about wealth and financial independence at a time when ordinary salaries are pretty much static in Britain and a huge swathe of people under 40 cannot afford housing. As the young chap I work with sometimes would declare: "The optics are beyond darkness and dread, Packing".

It is as though no-one has ever warned Harry or Megan just how precarious the position of the Royal Family is. The only way the whole thing survives is because there is an unspoken agreement that the British people turn a blind eye to the Royal Family's extraordinary wealth, power, influence and privilege in return for them turning up on time, doing their duty, smiling at everybody, and accepting the burden the roles have on their wider independence as individuals, while gently giving over the impression that they are quietly suffering.

I reckon this has basically happened because no one briefed Markle properly before she married Harry, or maybe she didn't actually listen, or maybe no-one realised that these were tacit understandings that someone like Markle, being American, just wouldn't know.

But crikey ... woah ... it's just more fuel to the fire that is raging over the attitudes of the global elite. Fuck me.

We certainly live in interesting times.

@Rinoachicken I think he sent a plan but was told it wasn't good enough. They could've played that game for months to keep him from actually leaving.

@makingmammeries. The fact that the queen is the legal guardian of minor royals would be enough for me to want to leave. What a totally fucked up law / rule.

I had no idea of the extent to which all the bowing and scraping is entrenched in the English psyche.

We love a bit of forelock tugging

As far as the Royals are concerned, some people seem to think it's still 1953.

I don't judge them at all for leaving the baby in Canada if they weren't coming back permanently. There's a 12 hour time difference I believe. Imagine the havoc that would play with sleeping routines 😩. I was in Canada last year and it took weeks to readjust sleeping patterns when we got back.