Harry and Meghan Resigning (Part Two)

[TheMustressMhor]

Following on from the previous thread, someone asked for another to be created.

Here it is.

Although I have a feeling that the topic has been done to death...…..

Thank you.

Picking up on one of the last posts, what's incredible is how the language and tone used in the statement on the website, is bordering on belligerent and disrespectful to the Monarch, the Crown and the family of which Harry may still want to claim a part by blood if not by role.

To talk about "collaborating with the Queen" is incredible, arrogant even. To have the brass neck to imagine your own role without consulting those who have preserved the institution into the 21st century, is crazy.

If you held a role as a director of a company within a larger services group, and you issued a press statement about the direction of that company and its relationship to the parent entity, without consulting anyone...firstly, you would be excoriated by the management, and secondly, there'd be a whole lot of legal that would prevent you from doing so.

Plus, you'd think said director would think about the share price of the overall Group, but no - Harry is completely stricken and seems to be lashing out in grief-fuelled rage, a sort of arrogant anger that because he has suffered, others must also or indeed somehow be culpable.

Perhaps he still blames his father regarding his affair/his mother. Maybe he is angry at the role he was born into. Who knows the motivation (I have been shouted down for assuming Meghan is the driver of all this).

Yeah you’re right, done to death.

The worst part for me is that I think Harry, like Tony Blair a decade ago, is striking out in part due to a frustration with how British public life keeps you pegged to a certain income (the likes of which many of us can only dream of).

Blair was reported once to have been on the yacht of Berlusconi one summer in Italy, and complained to his aides "why don't we get any of this" (in relation to Prime Ministers not having hundreds of millions, yachts etc).

This may have been a strong motivation for Blair once he reached the end of his career. Rather than slinking off to the back benches and becoming a very comfortable ex Prime Minister, he wanted true global wealth, power, the big time. Never before had an ex-PM been seen to step away from Parliament and immediately set up their own Foundation, yet again Blair was probably influenced by Clinton and the very US approach to making money while lecturing others etc.

You can imagine Harry's head has been turned completely - his brother is the one with all the attention and power, while he has a modest (!!) income from the Duchy and is hemmed in by needing to cut ribbons at schools and travel to rainy fetes etc.

Now, he can go and get proper money - tens or hundreds of millions of it. Eclipse his brother globally as a name; bestride a stage that no Royal has inhabited; live in different locations without the same sort of claustrophobic British society around him.

Well that's the theory anyway...

@MashedSpud

Oh look, it's someone telling everyone they think a topic is irrelevant...by reading it and commenting on it

I have been shouted down for assuming Meghan is the driver of all this).

Oh yes, nothing will get you accused of racist and sexist thought-crime faster than suggesting Meghan might be leading the way on some of this.

I was agreeing with the op @GinDaddy and I’ll do as I like. ☺️

Welcome MashedSpud.

And I am very interested in GinDaddy's analysis with regard to the language used on the website.

Very disrespectful to the Queen. And PH ought really to have known better.

Harry never asked to be royal and it’s obvious that he has always been uncomfortable with his situation. The extra money doesn’t make up for the total lack of privacy / constant threat to own and family’s life / lack of freedom to choose simple things like job and residence. He inherited more family money than he needs anyway, why should he put up with being told what to do all the time for an extra sovereign grant that he doesn’t need? ‘Royal duties’ are pure nonsense. Fine if you like that sort of thing but, obviously, Harry doesn’t. (I met William at an event once. His every movement and word was constantly managed and hurried by the staff around him. It looked shit, I couldn’t live like that.)

Harry is a dad now and doesn’t want his son to have the same crappy childhood he had. If you or I wanted to quit our jobs and move abroad in order to offer a better life to kids, that would be pretty simple. Millions of people do this. Why shouldn’t they?

Leave them alone. You don’t answer to them and they don’t answer to you.

Maybe, just maybe Meghan has been hurt so much by her own family she doesn't want to go through that again. Maybe she thought that Harry's family would be the family she didn't have. They have their own family unit now and I hope that whatever happens it works out for them. We never know what goes on behind closed doors
As for Meghan being the driver in this maybe she gave him the strength to do what he wanted to do. We know nothing

Harry will never eclipse his brother as a name, as Harry won't be King.

I think H&M have an overinflated view of their own importance in the general scheme of things. IDGAF what they think about anything, nor do those who are struggling, as others have said. It is so obviously about the money, which is sad. They have enough to live very comfortably now...why the sudden desire for vaster levels of income?

Wow @Devereux1 so much hate

I'm glad they're resigning! They do my head in.

Gosh all this hatred and how everyone knows the ins and outs as if they know them personally.

I wondered at the time when they got married how Meghan would cope with having to give up her career, move away from her country. Harry has said before about the job of being King that he doesn't think anyone would really want the job. We've no idea what goes on behind closed doors.

The Royal family are nothing but a facade. The Queens son is a sex pest, there are rumour of affairs, they treated Harry's mother like shit.

We've no idea what goes on behind closed doors, but blaming everything on Meghan is absurd.

Maybe because I’m not like this, but I just don’t understand the personality type that comes into an organisation and immediately wants to change everything because they’ve got so many “brilliant ideas”, without first stopping to understand the reason things are as they are. Or what else has been tried. Or how everyone else might feel about what you’re doing. There’s no sensitivity or understanding or empathy there, despite all the “caring about progressive change in the local and global community” rhetoric - it’s all quite weirdly self-serving. It’s like that new person at work who starts to criticise things within 10 minutes of getting there. Anyone with a bit of empathy would understand that rubs people the wrong way, there’s innate criticism in all the “let’s do things MY way” and it’s SO not a way to get everyone on board. It is a bit sociopathic actually.

They were the family she didn't have.

Well she damn sure won't have them now will she? Harry would be welcomed back into the fold I am sure, but not Megs.

I agree with Jillyhilly everyone hates the 'new broom' at work, much better to come in and observe and not ruffle feathers before you have to.

The slimmed down core family Charles wants was going to happen anyway so I can understand PH accelerating it as he'd already mentioned often that he struggled with royal life, even years ago. And Williams caution re Meghan seems to have imploded their bond irreparably . Apparently The Sun forced their hand re announcing it as they had the info re his draft plan, which the the Queen had as soon as he was back from Canada:but she felt it needed extensive & further talks first. But yes its wording was a bit pompous IMO, no usual & careful deference to HM as head of the 'Firm' . It all feels like he feels fed up anyway & being not part of the new 'core family' model thought feck 'em, I'll plough my own furrow. Very Diana.

I lost whatever waning sympathy I had for MM when I discovered that she had flown back to Canada yesterday evening, leaving her husband to deal with the fall-out and flak that their announcement was bound to cause.

That isn't standing together and being supportive to your spouse, is it.

"Gosh all this hatred and how everyone knows the ins and outs as if they know them personally."

That's a fair point if it's vitriol or pure assumption about Meghan "ensnaring" or "hating" or "seething" etc.

However there is plenty that can be substantiated.

We know that they want to live "financially independent".
We know that this has been thought about for some time, as they have trademarked "Sussex Royal" for 100s of items.
We know that they did not inform the Queen, Prince Charles, Prince William, or anyone else in the Royal circle.
We know that they chose the medium of Instagram to make their announcement, setting the tone for future communications and breaking with Royal protocol.
We know they have opted out of the Royal arrangement with newspapers, presumably to be able to strike their own independent magazine and media deals etc.

So there's plenty there above that with a little analysis and inference, you can easily assume that there's been lots of scheming about this. And that this is a new found cynicism that we haven't previously seen in the Royal Family - whether this came from the newcomer, Harry himself, or both, we may never know.

What I do know is there's a hell of a lot of advisors who have been speaking to Meghan (SussexRoyal.com website is built by a Toronto firm) who no doubt have been clear about the monetizing opportunities available.

You can easily assume that there's been lots of scheming about this

Yes indeed. It isn't a difficult leap to make at all.

@Jillyhilly

You put it very well!

I don't blame Meghan entirely - it takes two to tango and all that - but does anyone really think that Harry would have the wit to orchestrate any of this? Like Prince Andrew, I think he is, er, none too bright and as such is very vulnerable to dubious, unscrupulous and downright criminal "advisers" who will remind H&M before too long that there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Thing is, I honestly don’t think it’s got anything whatsoever to do with her heritage (although I have heard that she used to describe herself as Caucasian when applying for acting jobs) I think most people were delighted that PH had found a woman he loved who was prepared to take him on. On a personal level, I completely get that they don’t want the constraints that come with leading the life of a ‘senior royal’ , and I don’t blame them one bit for wanting more privacy. It’s the deception and disrespect the The Queen (and thereby the whole monarchy) that I find distasteful. By all means decide you want out, tell your family, negotiate how it’s going to work practically and then go. Don’t plot for months to launch a glossy website, trademark a whole load of goods, drop a statement on your family in the press and expect everyone to be delighted that you expect to continue to draw your substantial salary, live in a free house, have free 24 hour security and do what the hell you want whilst ‘making a professional salary’ selling your Sussex Royal branded goods... grrrr. I’ve just realised that I am a big supporter of the Queen.. and that disrespecting her who has given her whole life to duty and service, just pisses me off.

@gindaddy

I entirely agree with you about the copy on that website, and said so elsewhere. It's arrogant, disrespectful, blundering, cloying and naïve. But then, I suppose I am not their target audience!

No one 'collaborates' with HMQ!

Also, if they think they are going to get positive press and controlled access by dispensing with the pool system, they will get a shock.

As someone else memorably put it, it's The Tig, but a VIP version, and designed by the same consultants whose claim is 'to get shit done' for their clients.

I called this right from the engagement interview and was howled down and vilified as racist. Even I didn't think it would unravel so quickly.