Harry and Meghan Resigning (Part Two)

[TheMustressMhor]

Following on from the previous thread, someone asked for another to be created.

Here it is.

"Harry and Meghan should hang their heads in in shame about the way they have treated the queen over this."

The Queen should be hanging her head in shame over Prince Andrew, not publicly flaunting us by supporting him

Time they all stopped bowing their heads to billionaire granny
In no other family should granny decide what everyone is allowed to do

What a toxic family dynamic .... and look at the neurotic privileged dimwits it has mostly produced

I guess I had no idea of the extent to which all the bowing and scraping is entrenched in the English psyche

Christ - I'm not even sure why I'm responding to this.

The Royal Family has reformed hugely in the last 50 years, but like any company or firm, it has to have an identity, a code of conduct, rules and a brand.

If someone at my company wanted to walk off and write their own terms and conditions, start their own subsidiary, trademark assets that previously notionally belonged to the Group, and then announce all this without my knowledge..

I wouldn't think they'd given up "bowing and scraping".

I'd think they were deliberately belligerent, angry and set for a collision course with me and those who gave them a salary and position.

@Packingsoapandwater

Eloquently put! People are sick and tired of the virtue signalling, hypocritical preaching of those with little to no clue of what they are talking about.

The ignorance is shocking. Who the fuck advises them? Why don’t they listen?! How does Harry not know any better?!

They are the ultimate cheeky fuckers! Want to piss off and leave but still monetise the titles/royal status. Selling ‘stuff’ and preaching to the rest of us while they fly around the world. Dreadful.

I don't judge them at all for leaving the baby in Canada if they weren't coming back permanently. There's a 12 hour time difference I believe. Imagine the havoc that would play with sleeping routines

They could keep the baby on Canadian time and use several nannies to be awake when they are asleep. I would never have been able to leave DS at that age, particularly when I didn’t have to!

I took a look at the SussexRoyal website. It's so presumptuous . Announcing how they will be operating, and what they are going to do etc etc, and none of it had even been discussed with the Royal Family, let alone decided. I can't believe they had the brass neck to do this.

I suppose the advantage is that once you have done something, it makes the RF look mealy-mouthed or petty if they say, No, you can't keep your titles and No, you can't have limitless money and No, you can't just go on interesting foreign tours and ditch every other boring duty.

I would never have been able to leave DS at that age, particularly when I didn’t have to!

I admit I wouldn't have been able to either and this is why I think she has no plans to be resident in the U.K. again now.

I reckon this has basically happened because no one briefed Markle properly before she married Harry, or maybe she didn't actually listen,

The same thing was said of Diana, who knew them from childhood. How could Meghan'growing up in another country' possibly know what it would really be like?

Christ - I'm not even sure why I'm responding to this.

yes I understand that the monarchy is an important institution, but I don’t understand the frenzied commentary about Meghan and Harry when there are so many other things our society has to deal with. It seems we are obsessed with glamour and those who are richer than us, but in reality live in a hugely unequal society, and the class system, with the royal family at the pinnacle, is a large part of that.

A reduced in size monarchy would be great IMO.

Foam Foam, froth froth, spew, spew!!

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It was clearly intended to be the most flying of flying visits. I must admit I don't understand the Canada House trip to say thank you. Why was that necessary? Surely if they were staying there you'd say thank you later or to Justin Trudeau himself. I suppose it was a sort of pre-announcement.

It may be called the "Firm" but it is a family
Harry was born into it - he didn't choose to sign a contract

He is not an employee
and no 12 year old employee would be forced by his firm to walk behind his mum's coffin before millions of people

If it wasn't for Kate being so determined to be Queen, I wonder if William would have buggered off long ago
By all reports, he has little enthusiasm for the prospect of being king ... and he has his own problems
Maybe once his gran and dad die, he'll be free to choose

Hopefully we'll be free to choose by then and politely show them all the door

It was rumoured that Diana kept her kids by a whisker - her machinations were related to the real threat of losing her kids when the marriage ended.

M&H left Archie in Canada as they knew that the Queen legally could (and might well) block his removal back to Canada, and take physical custody of him.

Genuine question, why does anyone care about any of this?

Because it's a potential political and diplomatic clusterfuck.

Who pays for what? And who will pay for what thirty years down the line? Will the money be there at that point? And what will that source of money be paying for? And why?

What are the political and diplomatic implications of a senior Royal venturing into a purely commercial transatlantic branded business? How does this interfere with the Royal Warrant approval process, which is highly regulated and subject to political and cultural considerations? How may other sovereign states react to what could be perceived as diplomatically insensitive endorsements of competitor products? How may other sovereign states, and the people of the Commonwealth at large, react to statements made by the couple for commercial reasons that could be construed as politically or diplomatically insensitive?

So long as they are "Royal", they will be perceived as an extension of British soft power. And that is the problem when it comes to the commercial, political and diplomatic arena.

The only way they can do this is if they are no longer Royal. But as soon as they are no longer Royal, where's the brand value?

The Canada House thing was just bizarre, given what we now know. As was her over the top laughing and smiling etc. Manic and odd.

The website is toe-curlingly up itself.

I would think that with the media and social media the way it is, all the nasty press about Kate and Fergie etc, Meghan will have absolutely known what she was getting Into. My theory is she is so arrogant she assumed she would be impervious as she would be SO loved (aka everyone loving her as much as she loves herself!)

I think that their whole move and plan is perfectly fine and that they are dead right. They know that there isn't really a place for them in the royal family long term, and that indeed, there isn't a place for ANY royal family in this country long term, so they are proactively setting up shop on their own.

The website is beautiful and explains who they are and what they (intend to) do very clearly to an international audience. I am a web designer, and used to use The Tig as an example of a gorgeous blog to show my clients! I'm delighted to see that they used the same firm again. It's gorgeous.

BUT

The language of the website presents the whole thing as a very done deal, and (speaking as a fierce republican who feels that the whole lot of them should be evicted & every penny and brick they "own" returned to the state) it does feel massively presumptuous of Harry to make all these sweeping statements essentially on behalf of the royal family WITHOUT CONSULTING WITH THEM.

I get that talks were underway, but wtf was he doing cracking on and publishing the website and all those statements about his & M's role in the context of the RF before any of it had been actually agreed?

He is a member of an archaic and obsolete organisation, but if he wants to trade under their name, he needs to follow the rules and submit to the hierarchy - a hierarchy I abhor! But nonetheless, the entire website is EMPHATIC about his continued support of it. So I dunno. It's being badly handled by his people/him.

What a toxic family dynamic .... and look at the neurotic privileged dimwits it has mostly produced

Blair, Obama and Clinton foundaton moodel for SR.

If they are going to move abroad where will little Archie be educated?! Would a Grandson of the (future) King of England be allowed to be schooled in America? Genuine question.

I mostly agree with you, crosspelican, apart from the look of the website. The scrolly script makes it look a bit like a wedding venue website. I expected to see a few table layouts and sample menus somewhere.

What do people base their assumption that Meghan is arrogant on?

@crosspelican

I completely disagree that they have explained "very clearly" what they are doing.

The website has a huge ugly taupe menu bar on the left, where at the bottom is a tiny signpost to their "personal message".

That personal message has already been revised since it was issued, so it wasn't "clear" at all. Even now, it raises more questions than answers.

Worse, the real stuff is only to be found when you expand the Menu and then look right at the bottom - then you find the information we really need to understand - "funding".

Once there, it's a shitshow of FAQs that even a large corporate would be embarrassed to put out.

Just because it's in a nice responsive design with glossy photos and flying captions, doesn't maketh a good website.

3/10 is my verdict.

I actually think she's got on a plane because the wheel has fallen off her wagon, so to speak.

Her face in that Canada House frenzy was pure "mad person in the attic" type stuff. So over-animated and extreme, not actually normal conversation but just all for show, the grotesque innane grinning, glazed eyes, so caught up in herself she didn't even notice when the people she was speaking to had turned away and she was left faking a big smile and still speaking to the backs of their heads!

It was the display of a crazy woman.

@kirinm

I think he sent a plan but was told it wasn't good enough. They could've played that game for months to keep him from actually leaving.

If the plan was anything like the vague, presumptive, arrogance of the website, then I can well see how his dad might have said that it needed more work!

And sometimes, things do take time to sort out, especially matters as complex as this. Petulance bourne out of patience because you can’t get your own way RIGHT NOW is not a particularly edifying trait

@kirinm

"What do people base their assumption that Meghan is arrogant on?"

On the fact that she has entered into a family which she has knowingly understood to be one with ancient traditions and a known and unusual structure where she should in theory at least respect her marital grandmother and consult with her on matters that could affect the country that she now resides in.

Instead she has willingly and knowingly ignored her new family and created an entire brand trading on their historical name. Then escaped the country that took her into its family, and left her husband to deal with it.

Is that arrogant? Yep by my definition it is.

I really hope they disappear into irrelevance and don’t make the millions and the fame Meghan apparently craves. The behaviour is disgusting.

On another thread, which was pulled, there was speculation as to whether this would be considered an abusive relationship were it princess Harriet or some such. Of course we don’t know the ins and outs. And I’ve not said a bad word about Meghan until today, didn’t believe the rumours. But now, it’s plain to see she clearly doesn’t see the difference between celebrity and royalty.

I’m now pretty convinced that she is the manipulative woman described. Quite some manoeuvring to reach this point. Poor queen. She really is having a bad year. Brexit about to happen with the threat of the break up of the UK and now this.