Harry and Meghan Resigning (Part Two)

[TheMustressMhor]

Following on from the previous thread, someone asked for another to be created.

Here it is.

If you or I wanted to quit our jobs and move abroad in order to offer a better life to kids, that would be pretty simple. Millions of people do this. Why shouldn’t they

That would be fine but it's the fact they still want paying, from their father, that's the issue. No one quits their job and demands they still get a salary for it, whilst they go and get a better life for their kids. That's really not how it works. If you quit you stop being paid.

Just caught some of the Jeremy Vine show on this and it was full of incoherent whining. Meghan 'doesn't understand how English people live ' (because the Royals do live an average British family life, of course...) and is a 'disgrace'. One caller complained that she didn't even think Meghan knew all the counties within Sussex (?) and she was ashamed they had a title with her county's name in!

I'm far from convinced their plans are sensible or workable, but these reactions are batshit.

@Jillyhilly

Bravo, exactly this!!

"If you or I wanted to quit our jobs and move abroad in order to offer a better life to kids, that would be pretty simple. Millions of people do this. Why shouldn’t they"

That's not what they're doing. As @Bluntness100 points out, they're not quitting their job in the traditional way that you and I would.

They are taking their department within the family company, and spinning it off into its own legal entity and subsidiary, without consulting anyone in the Group but still drawing upon funds associated with the Group, benefitting from Group premises, pooled resources etc.

That would be considered downright outrageous in the corporate world, and wouldn't even make it past the Legal team let alone the reaction from Compliance, the board, shareholders etc.

They're not simply "quitting one job for another and a new life for their family".

They're running off with a chunk of the family company, and immediately creating a new entity, hoping that the momentum of doing that will mean the Group has no alternative but to issue a statement dissolving the Sussex "arm" of the company and allowing it to operate as an independent and not a subsidiary.

Ridiculous, arrogant and downright wrong are words that come to mind. Not "let them enjoy their new life".

By all means decide you want out, tell your family, negotiate how it’s going to work practically and then go. Don’t plot for months to launch a glossy website, trademark a whole load of goods, drop a statement on your family in the press and expect everyone to be delighted that you expect to continue to draw your substantial salary, live in a free house, have free 24 hour security and do what the hell you want whilst ‘making a professional salary’ selling your Sussex Royal branded goods...

This ...

This is what's made me go from ambivalent about them to judgy. They could have gradually withdrawn, or patiently wait til his 93 year old grandmother who still 'works' pretty much every day had agreed the an approach. The way they've handled this is awful, and so disrespectful to individuals like the Queen and the institution of the RF - that they still want to pay them money.

The analogy of what would happen if you did this behaviour in the corporate world is a good one. You'd have your arse handed to you, so not really surprising they are getting so much criticism.

I loved something I saw on the front page of the DT today:

Royalty is like being a virgin: you can’t be a bit royal

I’ve never seen anything so self-absorbed as their website.

They could easily disappear off the radar, the last 6 weeks showed them that, but judging by their new website and “insta press release” they have absolutely no intention of relinquishing their fame and status whatsoever

Absolutely this!

All those 'supporters' saying good on them, let them go and live a private and quiet life.

Erm, that's not what's gonna happen at all! She wants Hollywood, she always did but couldn't achieve it before. Bet she couldn't believe her actual luck when she met Harry.

This thread will no doubt eventually get pulled like one earlier today.

I don't think it has ever been a racist issue, but I do think the way Americans say what they think is an issue. The Royal family are almost the exact opposite, and Meghan must have found it hard.

On a practical level how will their security work?
If you have private security they presumably can go anywhere they are told to by their employers but when it is government security presumably it is a lot more complicated. You presumably need agreement from the host country.
It just struck me when I heard Priti Patel had been pulled in to the discussions. Were the Home Office, the police and the Canadian government all told in advance Archie was staying in Canada and Meghan was returning so quickly?
How will it work in future? Presumably the government will have to be in agreement with their travel plans at all times. What happens if the government says no that trip is too difficult, risky, costly to cover security for? What happens if H&M decide to ignore that?

why did the other thread get pulled?

and yes innui there is a huge difference between going on an official trip where state security scopes everything out with agreement of the host country, and schlepping up with your private goons...

I'd love to know how exactly the threat level against them is actually being calculated, when they're deciding how hard you and I must work to pay for security for these two total wasters.

Importance to the world: 0/10
Importance to the UK now: 1/10
Likelihood of someone taking them out: 1/10

My bin man is more important to society and faces more danger than these two, but he doesn't get a bodyguard, let alone £500k-£1m of protection each year paid wholly by the taxpayer.

"She wants Hollywood, she always did but couldn't achieve it before".

I think as much as people don't like it being said, it rings true to me.

You look at the work of Angelina Jolie, an actress who potentially has made one good film in her career (for which she was richly awarded by the Academies), who has positioned herself as an ultra-philanthropist. The template was set for Meghan, but the level of her work, and her previous connections, were never enough to give her the cache and name required to have a globe-spanning career.

That's just fact. Suits was an ok TV show. But she didn't achieve globe-straddling colossus fame from it. She couldn't previously ring Bill Gates or Bill Clinton, Elon Musk or Oprah, or any other big cheese and ask them to share a podium with her in an exotic location talking about climate or mental health.

Today she can do just that - their people will be ringing her people. And she didn't totally have luck meeting Harry - one of her people arranged the date. That's not cynicism, just reported fact.

devereux The threat level to them is probably not that high actually, but the 'what if' factor is stratospheric.

Daesh, ISIS, whoever would love to get their hands on Harry - think of the coverage! While any old American nutter could probably find a reason to kidnap Meghan (not white, not conservative, been married several times, actress therefore a whore, blah blah blah)

why did the other thread get pulled?

@yolofish because too many posts were breaking talk guidelines. This will end up the same.

devereux The threat level to them is probably not that high actually, but the 'what if' factor is stratospheric.

But is it? "What if..", ok... so what? Their importance to the world is nothing, their contribution is nothing, so the "what if" is Zero too.

@yolofish

Agreed - their notoriety rather than their strategic value is what makes them of interest. And it's why they'll have to get some pretty tight round the clock security on the level of an ex-President.

Which will be used as a justification for the monetisation of the Royal Family brand, "this is what freedom costs" etc etc

And she didn't totally have luck meeting Harry - one of her people arranged the date

I have disliked her since she gave the simpering engagement interview where she pretended her friend knew Harry and just HAPPENED to set them up, despite her knowing NOTHING about the RF as she lived in America (even though the US press is obsessed with the RF).

It was so fake: it would have been funnier and more relatable to admit that she, like most other women in that position, would have been like “omg do you know Prince Harry?! I would love to meet him!”. Which is what clearly happened! And that’s ignoring the fact she was supposedly living with a boyfriend at the time this blind date took place.

If Meghan ever split up from Harry, she would want her child to remain in Canada/USA and not be domiciled in the UK. Therefore its a good idea to make sure Archie resides in Canada/USA. I doubt Archie will be back in the UK until he is at least 2. If there is a next baby it will be born over there.

Maybe she thought that Harry's family would be the family she didn't have.Yes, before she lied about them and treated them badly

Just where has Meghan lied about and treated them badly?

Examples please? And not just gossip from the tabloids.

@Devereux1

You're using your assessment of what is important (one which I agree with) as the yardstick to measure whether folk would do things to them.

Their press coverage and notoriety/fame is why they're a "name" and a "target". They're not important to the world in the way Donald Trump (scoff all you like, he's strategically important) is, or António Guterres, or Xi Jinping. But they're people who'll need security as much as those folk.

I think it's just a regular family spat played out for the world to see.

Harry has always been second to William as 'the spare to the heir' and now William has his own children, his value to the throne has been reduced further still.

Neither William nor Harry can be held accountable for a fate caused simply by who they were born too. But I can understand a man, husband, father, being torn between two very big pulls - that of his royal family, duties not only to his brother but to his father and grandmother as well. Then his own family, wife and child. Knowing that they will always be the source of gossip and speculation no matter what they do. It started with questions about Harry's parentage and has continued now to wonder how much influence his wife is having on him to cause an apparent rift. I don't think it would matter who Harry married, I think the same course of action would always have come sooner or later, with Harry setting himself apart.

I don't necessarily think it has been done in the right way but then I also think someone in a royal household got wind of the plan and with needing to control who put that information out there, a public statement was hastily put together. It certainly doesn't read of a statement that was put together after consideration.

Genuine question, why does anyone care about any of this?

Truly surprised by the level and intensity of discussion everywhere, including Channel 4 and Newsnight.

You're using your assessment of what is important (one which I agree with) as the yardstick to measure whether folk would do things to them.

Sort of, but not really. I'm taking it a step further - because they are not important, the impact of them being taken, and the likelihood of it in the first place is incredibly reduced. Because of what they've done, who they are isn't as important as it once was, people won't care as much, the high profile nature of taken two idiots isn't as attractive to terrorists as taking someone who has higher value/people care about more.

I guess I had no idea of the extent to which all the bowing and scraping is entrenched in the English psyche.