To think Harry wants to Have his cake and eat it

[Lardlizard]

If you want to leave fine, goodbye
But you can’t be half in half out !

Have the haters forgotten that Harry has had a seriously heart breaking childhood? He didn't ask to be born into this institution and has done his best to fit in despite hating what the whole circus has done to his family, especially his mum. Why can't people empathise with his mental health issues and be happy that he has now got a loving family. Let him find peace. I imagine breaking free from the shackles of royal life is a scary prospect and he will break free little by little. Give them a break and have some compassion people. He might be rich and privileged but I wouldn't swap his life of grief and lack of privacy for all of that money. Unfortunately, the circus that surrounds them through no fault of their own means they will need security and protection regardless of who pays for it.

No one has forgotten Harry had difficult aspects to his childhood. So did many. Many had worse.

He has been and adult for years. He could have chose to remove himself at any point.

He didnt because he enjoyed the privilege. He still wants the privilege, but nom of the responsibility.

He could have quite easily given up his title and lived off his own personal fortune at any point

Harry and Meghan could have had a relatively quiet life in the UK, cutting ribbons, raising a family and having a trusted circle of friends. Much like the Wessexes. Instead they fell in love with the idea that they have special talents to change the world. This was always a disaster waiting to happen. The accelerated timetable is the shock.

Its getting tiresome hearing about them now. There are far more important issues in the world right now like the fact australia is burning to a crisp atm

Have the haters forgotten that Harry has had a seriously heart breaking childhood? He didn't ask to be born into this institution

Firstly, asking them to either give up their privilege and quit OR keep their privilege and keep their duties isn't being a "hater". I dont hate harry or Meghan. I feel v sad that they've had so much shit thrown at them but I still firmly believe you can't have it both ways. If you dont want the job then quit- but DONT expect to keep the company car! Thats not being a "hater"- its common sense.

Secondly, I had a heartbreaking childhood. So did a lot of people I know. In fact, thinking about it, I cant think of a single person I know who hasn't been through some truly horrendous crap at some point or another in their lives- one of my friends just lost her 4 year old daughter as an example. I can't think of anything worse than losing a child.

So, we all know people who have been through stuff. That has nothing whatsoever to do with their actions now. Also, they are far more "privileged" than the people I know who have been through crap. My friend wasnt able to take 6 months off work or see therapists whenever she wanted, so the fact is, they HAVE got access to resources that most of us can only dream of. So yeah, I'm afraid I dont have loads of sympathy for them and it doesnt make me a "hater".

Have the haters forgotten that Harry has had a seriously heart breaking childhood

I mentioned this in the other thread, but will put it here for context. Heartbreaking childhood? Right.....

My dad, aged 8 watched his entire family - parents, grandparents, brothers and sister go into a gas chamber and never come out.

As a teenager in a communist country my mother hid under the bed as her mother was shot by secret police - this was after her father "disappeared "

I feel v sad that they've had so much shit thrown at them but I still firmly believe you can't have it both ways. If you dont want the job then quit- but DONT expect to keep the company car! Thats not being a "hater"- its common sense.

They won't be in receipt of tax payers money anymore though so not sure I get your point. Anything else they receive or keep from the Queen or Prince Charles is surely their business and not yours.

Well Kate has to actually work for a living now. No more excuses about not finding a babysitter, no more trips to St Barts.
There are ribbons to be cut, hands to be shaken and smiles to be faked
Meghan and Harry are off

My dad, aged 8 watched his entire family - parents, grandparents, brothers and sister go into a gas chamber and never come out.

Obviously that's worse but that doesn't mean only losing one parent as a child isn't tragic fgs.

Sorry, sent too soon

My parents went on to train as doctors and eventually had to escape into the west in order to prevent their own children from watching them be killed.

We came to England where they built a good life for themselves and us and taught us the most important lesson of all - have empathy for those less fortunate. Who can't afford to feed themselves, for the truely persecuted (I'm not talking Daily Mail headlines here) and for those who, unlike them, fought for freedom but didn't make it out.

Now tell me who had the most heartbreaking childhood.

@beautifulstranger101 for you and your friend.

haters

You mean people who can think?

I'm also tired of people banging on about Harry 's tragic childhood. His mother died and that's traumatic and life changing but he still had a caring father and other family around him. He has never wanted for anything and doors have opened for him his whole life. He had the best education money can buy and has lived in the most magnificent houses rent free. There are children in this world who have also lost their mother and they are in care, or homeless or living in refugee camps. His childhood does not seem that bad to me.

As an adult he acted like a brat - lashing out at paparazzi outside nightclubs, getting photographed drunk and naked in Vegas. What kind of entitled, insensitive dick turns up at a fancy dress party as a Nazi? if his childhood really was so horrific he has all the money and time he needs to get some serious therapy.

Telling people he's only having two children to help the environment when he lives in a huge house, drives gas guzzling cars and flies on private jets. I don't know about Meghan - maybe she is driving this, maybe not. But he's an adult, he knows how the monarchy works and he knows how important the Queen's role is and he has still chosen to stick two fingers up at them all. They will both fall flat on their faces.

Can we please move on from this Oliver Twist narrative as it's insulting to people who have suffered genuine hardship in their lives. He's a pampered millionaire who is rejecting his privileged background, big deal. Let him find out the hard way.

@leighhalfpennysthigh

Thank you.

I'm still shocked by how little support/counselling my friend has been offered. The lack of mental health support in this country is shocking.

@beautifulstranger101 I know. It is incredibly awful. My late husband suffered from depression for most of his adult life and we really struggled get the help he needed when he needed it after our miscarriages. It was bad then, but I know it's even worse now.

It puts it all into perspective does it? These petulant children having a strop whilst real people, like your friend, struggles through life with quiet dignity. I know how deserves our empathy and understanding.

This is from a reputable newspaper in Ireland. I think the coverage is quite balanced....... waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/01/09/unemployed-couple-emigrate-for-better-quality-of-life/

@Leighhalfpennysthigh

Sent too soon. Meant to say, I totally get what you are saying and I'm so sorry for what your family have been through- thats utterly heartbreaking.

This is exactly why I get fed up of hearing about "poor tragic Harry". Yes, he lost his mum and thats awful. Well, so did I. A lot of us have been though unimaginable things yet we haven't had the resources or money or support to deal with them as he has. He also has advisors, counsellors, extended family, access to the best doctors, therapists etc etc
Obviously none of things make up for his loss but they can damn sure assist with healing and recovery. Not to mention, he can take months off at a time to deal with his grief and get head space. How many of us can just take a holiday for 6 months when things get too stressful? I'm absolutely fed up of hearing about "poor harry!"

i feel so sorry for them. Some British tabloids are racist, sexist and utterly vile.

Instead of accepting a strong, ambitious woman into the establishment they have dragged her through the mud, publishing horrific articles about her and her family and done their absolute best to utterly humiliate her.

A successful, ambitious man would be applauded and nobody would blink an eye if he had been divorced. MM however is made out to be some sort of manipulative psycho.

I expect the establishment are threatened and jealous of MM - she has made something of herself while others have just married for money and played the game keeping their opinions to themselves and being good little wives to keep the privileged lifestyles that they haven’t actually earned.

The sorts of articles the tabloids are writing about M and H are so horrific...hounding them...humiliating them...this sort of behavior could at worst lead them to feel suicidal with nowhere to turn.

What a disgraceful way to treat others. It really is disgusting and makes me ashamed to be British.

Why any woman out there could possibly think Kate is a better role model is bizarre. I mean what exactly does she do other than play the good wife and mother?! Utterly traditional and bland. I’d take MM over her any day!

Xmasbiccies stop dragging Kate down. No one asked you to choose between MM and Kate.

Oh and yeah... the queen is so hurt by this...yet says next to nothing about Prince Andrew. He should have been put the first plane to the US.

The more I think about it the more I think it’s time to abolish the Royal Family. I thought M&H might have been able to modernise it but clearly it’s beyond help. It’s a sexist, outdated system that needs to end, now.

Well the point is that the tabloids are going on about how perfect Kate is...why? Because in the main she keeps her mouth shut and knows her place?! Not the role model I want for my daughters.

Well the point is that the tabloids are going on about how perfect Kate is...why

They are now because the tabloids always like to drum up "competition" between women- they like to encourage the sexist and mysogynistic narrative that women are all bitchy jealous rivals and hate each other.

When Kate first started dating Will they were very nasty about her. Called her "waity katie" and said she was lazy and didnt want a job, had "hunted" william down, as if she forced him into it and he didnt have a choice. They showed photos of her on the catwalk as a student and implied she had tricked william into a relationship by wearing skimpy clothing etc etc

There was plenty of vitriol about her and her family back then. I remember it well. Now the press have vilified MM of course they've changed their tune about kate- it fits with their sexist BS of women wanting to "claw each others eyes out" etc

Xmasbiccies you sound utterly ridiculous.

I. A lot of us have been though unimaginable things yet we haven't had the resources or money or support to deal with them as he has. He also has advisors, counsellors, extended family, access to the best doctors, therapists etc etc
Obviously none of things make up for his loss but they can damn sure assist with healing and recovery. Not to mention, he can take months off at a time to deal with his grief and get head space. How many of us can just take a holiday for 6 months when things get too stressful? I'm absolutely fed up of hearing about "poor harry!"

This.