Racism

[Pixxie7]

Does anyone agree with the continuing claims particularly amongst a lot of celebrities claim that the uk is fundamentally racist particularly in relations to Meghan-Markle.

I think as a country she was welcomed with open arms.

Boris Johnson who while in office as London Mayor made several actual major fuck ups in terms of cash spent on personal projects, who put an incorrect figure on the side of a bus and defended it, who got numbers wrong in several different interviews.

Hmmm Diane got them wrong in what one major one ?

@Livelovebehappy

Diane Abbott messed up over the cost of extra Police, shortly afterward, Phillip Hammond got the cost of HS2 wrong by an even wider margin... his mistake was quickly forgiven and forgotten by the MSM, so did not stay in the public perception..... Abbott on the other hand was crucified by the MSM.. repeatedly, in fact none stop, to the extent that yourself believe she almost bought the Labour party to its knees.
So, what is the difference between Abbott and Hammond? one is black and female, the other is a white male & that puts a fuggin great bullseye on her.

Why don't you stop and think that a MP who can get a majority of 33k perhaps isn't the idiot you are suggesting she is?

Diane Abbott's achievements. But on Mumsnet she's criticised by posters who could only dream on achieving so much because she committed the heinous sin of sending her son to private school.

Interesting interview with Daniel Kaluuya in The Independent and Sunday Times he states:
‘I wasn’t getting roles in England because of the colour of my skin’

Full article is here:

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/daniel-kaluuya-interview-queen-and-slim-racism-uk-hollywood-baftas-a9280206.html

Angry that Akala book should be compulsory reading for all politicians and the government should be paying him a small fortune to act as advisor on race issues in this country. He’s a very wise man.

Akala is brilliant. Hes like the one public intellectual we have left and the polymath Steven Fry wishes he was.

@TinklyLittleLaugh and @Patroclus right?! One of the most intelligent people living I reckon.

The bit about realising his mum was white and it driving a wedge between them also made me bawling for obvious reasons...one of the things my husband finds really hard about living here is our son growing up seeing how he (dh) is treated and internalizing that that part of his (ds) heritage - of himself - is lesser.

I think since brexit /ukip we have regressed massively as a country. I'm a teacher , I honestly never heard racist comments in school prior to this, now I'm dealing with it every day
We live in such a toxic environment

I don't think the majority of abuse against MM is racist.

Most of it has been based on her actions towards the royal family and the public which has nothing to do with the colour of her skin.

There were some at the beginning and throughout that haven't liked that there are balck people in Royal photos but that's her mum and her heritage so I don't see why that should be ignored.

Interesting interview with Daniel Kaluuya in The Independent and Sunday Times he states
‘I wasn’t getting roles in England because of the colour of my skin’

Lack of suitable roles in the UK more than racism though?
The roles that Daniel Kaluuya did win in the US (from the article) would not have been cast to a white actor: a black couple who go on the run after shooting a police officer in self-defence...a currently untitled movie about murdered black activist Fred Hampton...a young African-American visits his white girlfriend's parents for the weekend...

So, a black actor talks about the level of racism he has experienced in the UK but MNs very own arch brexitier knows better and dismisses his concerns....

As a mixed race person, I think the issue of racism is often used to keep division rather than to reflect reality. I think the reality is racism within most work places is non existent, racism in the media is even less but there is a perception because of how racism is constantly pushed that this is a racist country.

I have no doubt there are parts of the country that would be more startled by a non white face turning up in their village, no different to a white face turning up in a non white area and this is the point, I've experienced racism if you will from ALL sides and I think this is the issue we all need to look at. People of all colour can and do hate! I feel the topic of racism is far too aimed at whites only committing it and when anyone like me says what about this as an example...I get told that's not racism etc etc...Ok it is and until it seen that ALL races can be racism and this is addressed then zero imo will change.

The bigger issue for me is increase in poverty, in reliance on government benefits, the collapse of liveable wages at the lower end of the job market due to the absolute scale of cheap unskilled labour, increasing violent crime, the disregarding of women's rights in many issues, the increase in cost of living, lack of affordable housing, the fact that so many kids where I live are learning nothing at school...The list goes on...These concern me because none of this can rectify itself just worsen while the establishment keeps us looking at stuff like this. If the above was sorted, racism would probably become non existent!

As for Harry and Meghan, imo they were both looking for a way out from the royal spotlight it had zero to do with racism.

@Dandelion1993 the sources for the articles in the media about her have not been named. Don't you find that odd? The actions of other Royals e.g. Prince Andrew, The Duke of Edinburgh have all had named sources.

@VikVal81 how many workplaces have you worked in in the last 5 years?

dismisses his concerns

If I was dismissing his concerns I would have been more emphatic and missed off the question mark. I pointed out that all of the roles mentioned in the article (and filmed in the US) were written for leading characters who are black. Which white actors did he beat for the roles? How does this prove there is more casting discrimination in the UK - compared to the US? I watched 'Get Out' on TV recently by the way - heart pounding thriller/horror - I thought Daniel Kaluuya was excellent.

If it had been a privileged wealthy white woman moaning about the pressures in her life whilst standing in front of deeply impoverished black people in Africa they would have been blasted. And rightly so. But to point out how insensitive Megan was - is racist?

@SamanthaBrique

She has done more to harm race relations than anything else, have you never heard the kind of stuff she has said about white people?

@ColaFreezePop
Why last five years? As a contractor I've worked in dozens of places in the last 20 years.

@VikVal81 Last 5 years because of the Brexit vote so you can do an easy comparison of rascism before and after.

Oh and we have examples in my family of people not employing us or giving us contracts due to our race. They then make the mistake of telling the (pissed off) recruitment consultant. On the other hand I have companies who realised their workforce was rather pale when I turned up who went out of their way to employ black people.

I personally know people who have used racism to get out of various situations. I don't know how wide spread that is, but a black actor saying they couldn't get work due to racism often makes me raise my eyebrows.

Excellent example of minimizing and othering well done

Off the top of my head Gina Yashere, Kelechi Okafor, Jamilia and Eunice Olumide have all spoken out about the racism they've endured in their respective film & TV careers. But, according to your assessment of racism, their experiences are all made up.

@ColaFreezePop
Aren't both examples evidence of companies doing one extreme to the other? Why can't people simply be recruited on merit? No progress will be made how things are at the moment.

@NurseButtercup

Oh bless you, so you will go along with what anyone says and because it aligns with your mindset it must be true? I am simply saying it is not unheard of and such accusations should really be looked in to. If it was racism or if it was just accusations of racism, in my mind both are as bad as each other. All we have is someone making accusations and last I heard accusations alone don't stand up in court.

@VikVal81
You can keep your blessings to yourself I don't want or need any blessing from you thankyou....

Yes, I will go along with the accounts of racism shared by other black people, who look like me, because these accounts are very similar to what I've experienced my entire life. This might be difficult for you to grasp, but most black people are reluctant to label yet another encounter as a racist micro-aggression. It's exhausting to experience and frustrating & hurtful not to be believed.

According to you for racism to be true it needs to be proven and evidenced and to be able stand up in court. Most acts of racism are covert and subtle, this has been explained repeatedly, therefore wouldn't stand up in court. The sheer arrogance of your statement is incredulous.