Racism

[Pixxie7]

Does anyone agree with the continuing claims particularly amongst a lot of celebrities claim that the uk is fundamentally racist particularly in relations to Meghan-Markle.

I think as a country she was welcomed with open arms.

Yes, @Ravingstarfish , I was wondering along those lines myself. Over the Christmas holiday period I met up with some friends who were telling me all about some of their recent holidays abroad, and their future plans for other places to visit.
What was very important to them was getting authentic experiences of the countries they were visiting, eating the local dishes, meeting the locals , observing local traditions etc.
They then went on a bit of a rant about the wretched provinces in the UK , being too white, not enough diversity, Brexit, etc.
I thought to myself, why are they seeking out and lauding the monocultures of other countries, while not being able to accept it in their own country ?

@VikVal81

Accusations don't stand up in court?

They do, actually most often. You are simply dismissing evident points given by other people as groundless.

Which doesn't stand up in court as a defence.e

@VikVal81 how can an accusation of racism be as bad as racism? Just sit and think on that. A person being more likely to be stopped and searched, receiving abuse, points of view ignored are as bad as someone saying a behaviour is racist.

@AstridJohnson how is getting authentic experiences lauding monocultures? I would assume you haven’t got truly authentic experiences in other cultures. Many countries have more than just one ethnicity.

I think UK is racist (just been watching Love Island) but less so then most other countries so generally feel quite proud of ourselves and a bit peeved to be called out.

I do also think though that regarding Meghan there’s a whole lot of reasons for the negative press and racism isn’t one of them (generally speaking).

I can relate to the people who experienced covert racism.

• being asked if I'm going 'home' when flying from UK airport
• colleagues who only socialise in restaurants/pubs/bars but who assume I want to cook them a curry at home
• asked where are you from and when you name your English city being asked where you are originally from
• being ignored in the coffee queue

MrsPan being bought a curry cook book as a work leaving present. As she is Asian....

And yes a 1001 minor experiences where she/us get overlooked in a way I never do when on my own.

@joyfullittlehippo

Of course it does, because I'm trying to balance the debate and issue while emotion is carrying the majority of this thread. I'm sounding more like a racist because you don't like what I'm saying even though me as someone who is mixed race has felt racism from white and black people because that's the inconvenient truth.

@SoVeryLost

If you are victim of racism or you falsely accuse someone or a group of racism, it continues the cycle of hatred, that's why it is the same thing. It's all to do with hatred. Why would someone be racist without hate to the victim? Why would someone accuse a person of being racist without hate? Both situations continue to add fuel to an already burning fire that's why they are the same. The same mentality dictates both so the end result is the same.

But that's not the norm though is it, in fact its directly opposite to many of the experiences people have on here.

Actually what it sounds like is that you are trying to deflect any criticism with a made up story.

This is exactly like the thread surrounding Serena Williams, which @MNHQ deleted “because the OP hadn’t returned”. It had been half an hour.

They didn't delete the SW thread on the Feminism board - and that was worse than this thread in terms of racist stereotyping and being gleeful that she was put in her place for being mouthy.

I read it and concluded only white feminism matters, and in terms of a Black woman they'll turn on her in as bad a fashion as the men they complain about that are dismissive of women. Hypocrites.

I've complained about racist comments before and MNHQ said comments should be challenged 'robustly'.

Anyone saying racism doesn't exist is like a child facing the wall and saying 'shan't' because they refuse to see something they know is there to be dealt with.

A racist PM, Duchess driven out, Horror Hopkins so vocally and regularly racist, photoshopped image of OH & MM leaving hospital and their son depicted as a monkey, Diane Abbott receiving the most racist commentary online including threats, alongside an MP calling her an ape - but it's 'racism doesn't exist'.

Its a waste of time debating racism with the Daily Heil hive mind. They actively want to be racist but are too cowardly to own it.

@DeeCeeCherry

Nobody is saying racism doesn't exist! They are saying does it always exist when an accusation is made of it, imo experience, no! I've had first hand experience of this and also experience of the racial hatred of both white and black mindsets due to my mixed race. The point is we can't just blindly believe that every accusation of racism is true as we can't blindly believe the country doesn't suffer from racism.

As a side note, I absolutely do not agree with the personal abuse Diane Abbott gets but she said some awful things in the past especially towards white people so can understand why people don't like her.

The issue of racism needs less emotion or greater balance or zero progress will be made.

The reverse racism argument about Dianne Abbot is ridiculous, its funny that in more than 30 years as an MP about 4 comments she has ever made (some of them accurate) are dressed up to be racist in order to make the "it works both ways" point.

It doesn't.

I personally know people who have used racism to get out of various situations

Can I have examples?

The issue of racism needs less emotion or greater balance or zero progress will be made.

But for people (black, white) who are dealing with it, daily; I'm unsure it's for anyone to say there needs to be less emotion. It's a sensitive subject.

I personally know lots of people who deny that racism exists and attempt to dismiss it as "playing the race care".

@ABlackRussian
Work related situations often involving performance sometimes linked to time keeping or attendance, but they have admitted it to me not in a secretive way but in a "when they pull me up I just say it's racism..." Way. I guess may be being mixed race they think I would support that, which I do not because as I've been trying to it just causes more issues than resolves.

Anyone saying racism doesn't exist is like a child facing the wall and saying 'shan't' because they refuse to see something they know is there to be dealt with.

Racism exists but only for anyone without white skin. I went to a primary school of 500 where I was the only white person. I was spat on, punched, teachers ripped up my work and called me names, I had to wear a sari and celebrate Diwali but wasn’t allowed to mention Christmas. But none of that is racist because I’m white. If it was the other way round they’d be uproar at the racism.
Anyone can be racist, regardless of colour. Anyone can be a horrible person, regardless of colour.

And in other things that only happened in your mind...

Is that directed at me @malylis ?

VikVal81

@ABlackRussian
Work related situations often involving performance sometimes linked to time keeping or attendance, but they have admitted it to me not in a secretive way but in a "when they pull me up I just say it's racism..." Way. I guess may be being mixed race they think I would support that, which I do not because as I've been trying to it just causes more issues than resolves.

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This is such vague bullshit 😂 I hope your colleagues are on to you.

at VikVal