Racism

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Does anyone agree with the continuing claims particularly amongst a lot of celebrities claim that the uk is fundamentally racist particularly in relations to Meghan-Markle.

I think as a country she was welcomed with open arms.

It isn't just Twitter, it's the gutter press and their readership. Half of what MN claims to know about Meghan comes from the tabloids. Almost every engagement she attended was followed by several articles (and indeed MN threads) picking her apart for things that would've gone unnoticed had it been another member of the royal family.

Hell the Mail even ran an investigation into where her baby blanket was produced so they could write a headline about her using a "sweatshop" when in fact it was anything but. Yet that didn't stop the more stupid posters on here using it as a stick to beat her with.

I agree that Harry's attitude towards climate change while taking private jets is hypocritical but that's him not Meghan. He's been criticised too but not nearly as much as she has. Look at how people are convinced that this latest move is her idea rather than his.

And don't forget William lecturing about the dangers of overpopulation while Kate was pregnant with child no.3!

The racism in many European nations is really appalling

Its pretty appalling here. I've not noticed it being worse in France, GErmany, Italy or Sweden for instance.

(I try to avoid the cesspit better known as 'Twitter')

You don't need to go to twitter. There are plenty of examples of Meghan being criticised/Kate being praised for doing the exact same perfectly ordinary thing. The whole narrative is about the uppity mixed race foreigner taking our pure blood prince.

The Palace has of course closed ranks around the line of succession/family and briefed accordingly, just as they did with Diana. Handy way to take the heat off the nonce uncle who is One of Us as a bonus (and he has never been shy of exploiting family position to make money) and of course a distraction from the latest serial philanderer in the family.

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And don't forget William lecturing about the dangers of overpopulation while Kate was pregnant with child no.3!

He is in a better position than most to support his child. That is a silly rhetorical question.

Over population isn't about the ability to support a child though.

He is in a better position than most to support his child. That is a silly rhetorical question

The point isn't having the money, its the resources consumed by another human being. The richer the family, the more resources are consumed by the child. In environmental terms every first world child costs the planet far more than any child born in the third world.

I think you might need to do a bit more reading around climate change and overpopulation @astralweaks...

Fuck me a white person starting to complain about discrimination on racial basis in the UK is takes the biscuit.

Hop over to instagram and read the comments from the public on their latest posts. Absolutely vile. 99% from women. I feel embarrassed. Just read them.

I would bet they have recieived tonnes of hate mail but kept quiet about it. I know because I once researched into hate mail received by BME politicians.

There is zero point trying to discuss racism in this country. I've long given up. There is nothing I can say or do to change the situation. I'm resigned to the fact that I will have to suffer both overt racism and daily micro aggressions my whole life. I have to steel myself against it and teach my children to understand their worth should never be determined by those who hate us for reasons they refuse to admit. It's depressing at times, very very depressing, tiring, frustrating and so much more. But expressing any of these emotions publicly will just place me in the path of even more of this distressing treatment. So I internalise and pray that one day, in many generations to come (it certainly won't be any time soon), my descendants won't have to spend their lives worrying about how so many aspects of their lives will be affected by the colour of their skin.

If you have not suffered this yourself, you will never, ever truly understand. Credit to those who at least try, but the majority of people will just dismiss these experiences, rationalise them, or count out how many ethnic minority friends they have, which means they can't possibly be part of the problem.

Yes, there is racism in this country but do I think, on the whole, this country is racist? I dunno.

I do know that black men get it worse than black women (source: from having adult sons and daughters).

What I do know is that you get a very different view when talking to white people. Close family members are white. They will have you believe that there is no racism, at all, in the country. When I give them examples, that I have experienced, they brush them off. I think they believe that because they would not hold those views, and their circle of friends do not hold those views; it cannot be that bad. I love them very much but they will never understand, because that it not one of the layers to their life. Therefore, they are, obviously, going to have a different perspective to me.

You really need to be asking the non-white demographic this question. As we are the ones who are experiencing it. Seriously, it's like asking men about their experience with periods and how it affects them

I will say, that on a personal level, in my adulthood, it hasn't been that bad, but it has still been.

To mention it, the masses would have you believe that I have a chip on my shoulder, and perhaps it didn't happen. Here's the thing, it did.

People don't like Meghan because of an assortment of reasons, but let's not pretend that some of these are not racial.

@treaclepumpkin I agree with you and sadly some more recent posts on this thread prove your point.

@Ravingstarfish oh really you made that judgement how?

You are also a racist cunt

Leaving Megan to one side. There is racism if there are claims of racism the probpplem is what is racism? The legal definition is fairly clear. As well as racism as an allied crime we have racist incidents. Reportable and noted by the police, help to establish a trend but not prosecuted or possibly not prosecutable.
Now anti racism training is not just saying "don't be racist" but call out and report any cases of racism or suspected racism it widens the doors a lot. We have institutional racism which was not a thing previously.
I fear we will be at the case where some people will say "you call me a racist - I do not agree with your definition of racist so, yes I'm a racist. What are you going to do about it?". Fascist used to mean a follower of Mussolini's party, and by association a nazi. It now appears to mean anyone who is not liberal. The word has lost its power. Is "racist" destined to follow?

She has married Harry under the impression that she can do things her way, shake things up, be a "star", hobnob with the Clooneys and Angelina Jolie. Then has been confronted with an attitude of "That's not the way we do things around here" and she doesn't like it.

You have discussed this with her? Or are you also basing your insight on the reportage which hates her and has always hated her? The media which routinely assigns negativity to her actions and saintliness to Kate's for doing the exact same thing?

I'm a die hard republican but you would need to be willfully blind to miss the toxic coverage she has had.

Well I know loads of mixed race people and black people and a hell of a lot of them don’t like MM. It sure is nothing to do with race with a lot of people. They all say they liked her at first.

Fergie and Diana got “toxic” coverage too. Of course she got picked apart, even the saintly Catherine did.

I used to like Harry, I don’t anymore. Is that racist?

Before i lived in S.Africa, i'd have said the UK wasn't particularly racist, however, the racism over there was open and direct, they had no shame! but you knew what you were dealing with.

It made me realise UK racism is beneath the surface and deeply ingrained, institutional if you like, look at football or the Macpherson report into the police service.
Brexit was primarily about immigration, Boris's "points based immigration system" was a vote winner! sure Europe has issues but how many other european countries have decided to hurt themselves economically/culturally and leave the EU because of foreigners?

However, i am encourage by the youth of today, sooooo much more accepting and inclusive, be it over race or sexuality, than my generation.

I’m a disabled person and, in my experience, even the nicest non disabled people don’t really understand disablism.

So, as a white person, I am fully able to believe that I don’t have the faintest idea what the real level of racism is in this country.

But I’ve been to other parts of the world and they do seem more racist than the UK. The USA in particular really shocked me. And at least racism is illegal and largely socially unacceptable in the UK.

DH has a season ticket for our Championship football team in our grim Northern town. He says he doesn’t hear any racist stuff at the football nowadays. In Spain and Italy the racism at football is very overt.

My white son had a Sikh girlfriend for many years. They got quite a bit of stick when they were out and about (her much more than him) but ultimately they split up because her parents wanted her to marry another Sikh.