Women and fox hunting

[greentreefrog]

Name change for this but regular poster.
Seeing all the fox hunting activity on social media over Christmas and New Year mainly the shocking incident in North Yorkshire where a hunt supporter repeatedly hit the hunt protesters car with a dead fox.
There was a few women and young children in the group supporting the hunt, why? I don't understand how anyone can support chasing terrified animals and letting dogs tear them apart. Even if they dont take part themselves they must know if their partners go out 'lamping' or badger baiting. How they can live with themselves.
AIBU to think these women are brainwashed by their partners?

See? Literally cannot believe anything that goes against the narrative! It's more fun than actual hunting.

@WhatshouldIdo123 "I always wonder why hunts, who bang on and on about 'nobody understanding hunting' are so hell bent on stopping anyone from at least observing what they do. Surely the way to win hearts and minds is to stop pissing and posing about in town centres on Boxing Day and encourage the public to come and watch them 'trail hunting'. But of course we know why that wont happen don't we"

All hunts I know of have an active hunt supporters club and welcome anyone genuinely interested. You can turn up at the meet and follow on foot/in car for the day. The main reasons hunts are often reluctant to give out information to people they don't know is because saboteurs abuse any open-ness and some are aggressive and violent unfortunately.

@WhatshouldIdo123
No need for PM - I have nothing to hide! My village is technically Quorn country but bordered by Fernie and Cottesmore so we have the luxury of choice here.
I prefer Cottesmore but won’t be out mounted until Boxing Day. Might make the Opening Meet though next season on foot.

@Trewser
Again...... just for you dear

Hunting is not legal. Trail hunting if done properly is perfectly legal only it isn't been done properly is it. If hunts claim they are trail hunting then that would require significant logistical forward planning and a huge amount of scent to cover the amount of ground they do for the 2/3 days they go out each week. Scent layers would need to be out for at least 4 to 5 hours prior to each day's hunting and would need to be carrying many many litres of scent
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Indeed...all these allegations of sabs/monitors doing this that and the other and yet no photos or film footage despite the barrage of hand held cameras and camera phones being held up by hunt members and supporters.... unless someone wants to post some up and then I'll be happy to accept I am wrong
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Ive had conversations with hunters where we have engaged in useful discourse around hunting with them often acknowledging the cruelty, lies and falsehoods peddled by the hunt community. These people have something intelligent to say
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I had a few questions to ask the Countryside Alliance a few weeks ago about something they had posted on Twitter. They even invited questions about the post. They refused to in an engage email exchange and would only speak on the phone and even then asked me if I was recording the conversation
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I am sure you know who George Adams is...a now retired prominent MFH. Unfortunately for George he posted up a narrative around fox hunting in which he admitted that the death of a fox is painful and probably terrifying for it
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Nice to see some of the more aggressive posts deleted by MN.

I spent many many years following hounds, worked in a hunt and point yard. I know exactly what goes on

Yeah, course you did love.

Sorry I didn't read some of longer more ranty posts.

For every nasty terrierman story there's a nasty sab story. As I said before, they are both at the extreme edges of behaviour and deplored by the more rational parties on each side. I know the general public sympathy tends to lie with the sabs, and many wouldn't believe such animal lovers are capable of such treatment. But some individuals are. These individuals are not the majority, and that's why they make it into the news.

Sabs kicking a huntsman unconscious. You can find any number of videos to prove your case that sabs are evil or hunters are evil. Whichever way you want to sway your argument.

Are you actually serious?

I'm a woman. I hunted from around 4. As I've grown up I now only drag hunt. Take your misogyny...

These discussions are so depressing. A lot of people using 'feelings' in order to impose their views on others.

It is probably a pretty good bet that most of the people commenting here, have never gone fox hunting. No idea what they are passing judgement on. In possession of none of the reality or the facts. But, feelings. It 'sounds' bad, so it must be! Therefore, people who do it, are SCUM!

I would like to have an event where everybody who has given themselves permission to comment, has to consent (put their money where their mouth is) to attend a meet, then get on the back of /drive a quad bike and drive amongst the horses (because that is the closest you will get to what is happening and what it is like), to follow them. Wherever they go, you go.

The rules being:

1. If you witness a poor terrified etc being barbarically etc ripped apart etc - you get £1,000
2. If you even SEE a fox - you get £100

In this imaginary day of mine, this is what would REALLY happen:

1. you would get a lovely toot from the stirrup cup

1. you would have an adrenaline rush like nothing you have experienced before. Seeing, hearing, experiencing horses galloping all around you, up hill, down dale, through the woods, hearing hounds, hearing the horn - you would get the biggest rush.

1. It would dawn on you, how HUGE the countryside really is.

1. That of all the species, the animal that is really in charge, is the fox. They own the turf, they know exactly where they are, they are long gone. That finding one scent trail in ?60 acres - lets just say it is rare. Needle in a hay stack stuff. But in the mean time ... lots of galloping and jumping happens (extreme sport adrenaline rush)

1. Foxes are in very, very very little danger from a hunt. It is literally, a non issue (and if you were on your quad bike YOU WOULD SEE THIS with your own eyes). In terms of a football match it is Fox 36; Man & Hounds 0

The £££££? Completely safe. You wouldn't even SEE a fox, let alone witness anything barbaric.

And in the crazy ride across the fields, hearing the hounds, looking at the horses reacting to the horn and understanding what the horn means - it is a beautiful atavistic COMMUNICATION between 4 different species on our earth. You would finally get 'why' they do it.

All this judging from a place of emotional ignorance (lets be honest, here: ,if you haven't experienced a hunt, you don't actually know what you are talking about) - how FAIR is it? Seriously, how fair are you being to judge people who are clearly otherwise very decent people?

And, has nobody worked out that the Sabs are getting off on EXACTLY the same adrenaline rush?

Why they, too, get up at 4.30am ...

to get out into the beautiful countryside, which is really vast, expending energy, HUNTING ... another species?

Great post sutch

Nice to see some of the more aggressive posts deleted by MN

You’re such an exaggerator. I’ve had a post deleted by MN where I expressed my sincere disbelief about what you were saying. Hardly aggressive. But obviously that’s your level of what “aggressive” is, bit like all those “aggressive” sabs. 🙃🤣🤣🤣🤣

You’re hilarious love.

Nice to see some of the more aggressive posts deleted by MN

Including yours.

So sorry if your fragile sensibilities are such that you felt the above posts were 'ranty'. I suppose it was inevitable you would respond like that. I will try to be fluffier.

I spent many many years following hounds, worked in a hunt and point yard. I know exactly what goes on

Yeah, course you did love

Yes I did. Three. One was a harriers pack though . I also qualified pointers freelance. I also hunted my own part TB

You owe me £1100. 👍 @screamingladysutch

I’ve hunted with the South Pembs. I used to work for the hunt master.

@ScreamingLadySutch

Beautiful...Disney really should get to hear your this

But well and truly missing the point. Well done.

I live in the countryside I know A LOT of females who go hunting on horses and also ‘lamping’ with dogs.

Why on earth would it be a male/female issue.

Also, sorry if this is slightly off topic but talking about hunting and the people I know who do it, they all seem to be ‘animal lovers’ and they don’t see this as cruel, it’s how they look after their livestock and land.

I have a feeling it’s just town/city people who frankly don’t know what they’re talking about who have such strong opposing views on these activities.

I’ve hunted with the South Pembs. I used to work for the hunt master since the ban?

Just to add also, I rode in many hunts as a teenager and I absolutely loved it.

I have a feeling it’s just town/city people who frankly don’t know what they’re talking about who have such strong opposing views on these activities

BINGO!!!!
Stupid townies who dont understand. Stop being to arrogant and treating people like idiots. The majority of rural populations oppose hunting. Did you know that?

Well, they aren't ACTUALLY disgusting and sick steelriver but if you feel that way that's your issue.

Well, we can all copy and paste news links. As someone who has endured sabs for many years, I can promise you that they are not in it for the animals. They are, quite literally, rent-a-mob.

www.fieldsportschannel.tv/cheshirehuntmonitors/

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/police-reveal-results-post-mortem-2998127

www.cambrian-news.co.uk/article.cfm?id=125829&headline=Police+probe+hound+shooting+allegation&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2019

www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/east-essex-hunt-disrupted-after-1023838

What a load of rubbish, being a woman doesn't automatically mean that you are a gentle, kind person any more then being a man means you are a blood thirsty psychopath.

and understanding what the horn means - it is a beautiful atavistic COMMUNICATION between 4 different species on our earth
Screaming

It’s ironic that you portray the arguments of your opponents as emotional. Whilst failing to recognize the nostalgia laden, anthropomorphic acute emotionalism of your own....

@trewser. No, before the ban.

But I went out as a foot follower after the ban and saw a fox killed by the hounds. The bloke on the quad bike with an eagle was very much there for show, to pretend that the hounds were going to flush the fox out.

I used to be very pro hunting. I was brought up in that sort of environment where hunting ffrom a young age was normal. All my friends hunted.

Then the ban came in. And I’d had a baby so stopped hunting. Went out once. Had a bit of a longer break due to dc and came to a realisation during this time that it’s completely wrong and barbaric.

Bovary X... because you know fuck all about horses or hounds, you would say that. Sneer at what you don't understand, because, feelings.

Do you have a dog? Can you see that your dog understands certain words? - Same thing.

It was actually AN ANTI (who was a musician) who told me this. I had told him that I was on a horse dozing, he heard the hunt far off toot-toot-toot - and had gone from asleep to action in an instant.

THAT ANTI musician said: in all of us, there is this lizard brain. The lizard brain understands primeval sounds. And that is why the hound and the horse and the man, know what those horn toots mean. That, if you slow down birdsong, it sounds like whale music. Because at some level, we are all linked.

I asked him, 'how can you be anti then if you are confirming the connection and understanding between all the species?' He shrugged his shoulders and smiled.