Women and fox hunting

[greentreefrog]

Name change for this but regular poster.
Seeing all the fox hunting activity on social media over Christmas and New Year mainly the shocking incident in North Yorkshire where a hunt supporter repeatedly hit the hunt protesters car with a dead fox.
There was a few women and young children in the group supporting the hunt, why? I don't understand how anyone can support chasing terrified animals and letting dogs tear them apart. Even if they dont take part themselves they must know if their partners go out 'lamping' or badger baiting. How they can live with themselves.
AIBU to think these women are brainwashed by their partners?

Well, we can all copy and paste news links. As someone who has endured sabs for many years, I can promise you that they are not in it for the animals. They are, quite literally, rent-a-mob.

First link is hardly an unbiased source. No video evidence and no criminal charges.

Second link. Who’s to say the sabs didn’t genuinely believe the hunt had killed the fox? So possibly a genuine mistake, possibly they lied, possibly the vet in question has links to the local hunt and lied? I don’t know....but I do know there’s plenty of videos on YouTube of hounds killing foxes.

Third link. Nothing to do with sabs. Sounds like a local landowner who didn’t like the hunt trampling over his land. It’s well known that not all land owners like the hunt rampaging over their land and they don’t always get permission from all land owners. Story says the landowner (not sab) was being interviewed. Was he ever charged? Genuinely interested and can’t find anything.

4th link. Again no evidence. Which is amazing seeing as most hunts have hordes of followers with the sole job of videoing sabs. Wouldn’t be the first time a hunt have tried to stop a sabs vehicle leaving by blocking them in either with their 4x4 or a horse. So ride a horse right up to a slow moving car and then squeal that the sabs rode into a horse. Again no police action and no evidence of an injured horse.

All quite laughable compared to all the irrefutable videos I posted .

Woman,men and children hunt they do it because they want to
Hunting illegally does happen, how can it not, Ive seen it with my own eyes and I've seen things i wish i hadn't. In my experiance there is alot of arrogance on the hunting field maybe due to the "class" of the participant's or maybe they are just arseholes on horse back. However don't think that sabs are nice animal protecting people, they are nasty violant people out for a kick off and thats all there is too it, why else do they drive around in balaclava's serching for the hun.

Appaling that someone shot those hounds. Article didnt mentions sabs though

@WhatshouldIdo123 - because you know fuck all about horses or hounds, you would say that. Sneer at what you don't understand, because, feelings.

Do you have a dog? Can you see that your dog understands certain words? - Same thing.

It was actually AN ANTI (who was a musician) who told me this. I had told him that I was on a horse dozing, he heard the hunt far off toot-toot-toot - and had gone from asleep to action in an instant.

THAT ANTI musician said: in all of us, there is this lizard brain. The lizard brain understands primeval sounds. And that is why the hound and the horse and the man, know what those horn toots mean. That, if you slow down birdsong, it sounds like whale music. Because at some level, we are all linked.

I asked him, 'how can you be anti then if you are confirming the connection and understanding between all the species?' He shrugged his shoulders and smiled.

Sneering has zero effect on me. So don't bother, it doesn't work, you just get sneered back at. I do facts.

PS I go drag hunting so. And nor am I trying to 'convert' anyone.

What I am asking all you people passing your opinions is

1. whether you have actually EXPERIENCED a hunt, if not,
2. what gives you the exclusive right to judge people and their motives from this point of 'feelings',
3. IF you recognise that Sabs are following EXACTLY THE SAME impulses as the people they despise?

I've hunted on and off for years and i think that battering a car with a dead fox is a massive NO NO

1. whether you have actually EXPERIENCED a hunt, if not,
2. what gives you the exclusive right to judge people and their motives from this point of 'feelings',
3. IF you recognise that Sabs are following EXACTLY THE SAME impulses as the people they despise?

1. Yes. More than once.
2. N/a
3. No, I disagree. I think sabs genuinely want to sabotage a hunt because they’re animal lovers and want to prevent foxes being killed. Their ultimate goal is for hunts to be banned completely. They wouldn’t want that if they enjoyed hunting the hunters.

I may be showing my ignorance here, but I thought fox hunting was illegal in the UK. It is here in Oz, quite rightly. There are far more humane ways to deal with foxes, and it stuns me how anyone could think it’s okay.

I really don't think this is a useful subject.

Nobody is every going to change their opinion. Opinions just get entrenched and in not a nice way.

On one side, people are literally horrified at the thought of it,

on the other side people are resentful that their way of life and understandings are judged from a place of emotional ignorance,

and never the twain shall meet. It just gets nastier and nastier.

What is the point of this thread?

Humane? Anyone with a gun licence can shoot foxes in Australia and get paid 10 dollars for their scalps.
And also it is legal in some states

In Victoria and New South Wales, fox hunters who use hounds and horses must be members of approved hunting organisations. The only hounds permitted for this purpose are ‘foxhounds’ identified with a legible ear tattoo and registered with an approved hunting group. There are strict rules governing how hunted foxes should be treated and the animal must be killed humanely

nobody is every going to change their opinion

I’m proof that that’s not true. So possibly such threads may change people’s opinion, get them thinking, etc.

"No, I disagree. I think sabs genuinely want to sabotage a hunt because they’re animal lovers and want to prevent foxes being killed. Their ultimate goal is for hunts to be banned completely. They wouldn’t want that if they enjoyed hunting the hunters."

De Nial is a river in Egypt. But never mind.

You haven't ridden past them and seen the gleam in their eye, clearly. Yet another example of how we are told our experience and perceptions are not of the correct sort.

It's not OK and it is bloody appalling that these profit making companies are not being held accountable for the danger to the public their illegal activities cause. Dogs on the railway thanks to the Warwickshire hunt. Trespass if they were legally hunting then why lay a trail to purposefully put hounds public and railway staff at risk. Also a hound killed on the A1 because the hunt don't care enough about the safety of the dogs or the public. If these hunts were genuinely trail hunting then why lay a trail so dangerously? And don't try me with that caught scent of a fox bollock's. Someone still trained the dog to go after a fox. Plenty of dogs chase other scents. All lies. But no prosecutions for the railway incursions, risk to the public or lack of safeguarding for the animals. No court cases. No investigations into the lack of safety for the public companies operating in public space would usually expect. Really appalling.

Just poking our head in to ask for civil debate please - we know how divisive this topic is but we're getting a lot of reports about posts which break our TGs.

You don't "wonder" anything. You are completely fixed in your ideas to the point where you literally cannot believe anything that doesn't fit your narrrative.

TBF both 'sides' are doing that -
*One lot denying that illegal hunting happens, ever. It does because there is evidence.
*The other lot insisting it's all that happens, it doesn't, there are above board and legal hunts that are 'clean'.
*One lot pointing out that some sabs are harming animals in the persuit of saving one, under the guise of animal protection.
*The other lot insisting that every incident quoted never happened because.

I can tell you that during the incident I experienced, I did have a phone, though it was quite a while ago, I'm not sure if it had a camera or not, but I was too busy trying to stop my terrified horse taking off and putting us both in danger, as well as anyone else who's path we crossed. If incident had occurred when the hunt and sabs weren't out, then it'd be a disgrace and awful according to most of you I bet. But because they're sabs they get a free pass and although the police took a statement, they weren't really bothered.
You could say any of it didn't happen as many times as you like, it doesn't change that it did.
I don't agree with hunting, I am aware that some hunts operate illegally, I'm aware some operate legally. I'm aware some sabs are attempting to gain evidence to prosecute and are hurt, I'm very aware that some sabs are little more than hired thugs that are fighting a class war that has fuck all to do with foxes.

on the other side people are resentful that their way of life and understandings are judged from a place of emotional ignorance

Emotional ignorance????. You lot are beyond the pale. You WISH this was the case. You do realise that Intel to sabs comes from hunt members as well as general public. This view of the ignorant bunny huggers is what will end hunting with dogs eventually because you are under estimating the sheer volume of information out there and the ground swell against hunting is growing by the day.

Tewser, unfortunately I don’t think there is any totally humane way to kill any animal, free of any fear or pain. However, I think a quick bullet is probably more humane than being chased down and ripped apart. Didn’t realise it was legal in some states. I definitely stand corrected- disgusting.

And keeping the dogs used to pin down a fox so thugs can dig a fox out of the ground. Just keeping the separate dogs identifies the intent to act illegally. No need for them in a legal hunt.

You want a civil debate. Mmm whats Civil about encourage a back of dogs to rip a fox. Even fox gets away it might die of exhaustion. Whats civil about chasing a stag onto a rd to let it get hit by a car and not even ry to find out if the stag is ok. Don,t tell me that foxes aren,t killed we all knw that is hogwash. If you want to control vermin do it humanly.

The people I understand the least are the foot followers and the terrier men/quad bike goons. They don’t even have the excuse of enjoying the thrill of a fast ride/jumps. What do they get out of it apart from seeing/helping foxes be killed? Sickos.

Screaming
Hmm. Emotional much?

Ive hunted for years and let me tell you all hunts hunt illegally!! Nobody admits it but they do.

As someone who has endured sabs for many years, I can promise you that they are not in it for the animals. They are, quite literally, rent-a-mob.

That's as bad as if I said all hunts go out and slaughter foxes and maltreat their hounds. Some do, some don't. Not all objectors to hunting are rent a mob, yo7 can go out and protest without resorting to criminal activity just like you can go out and ride in a group without resorting to criminal activity.

Sabs don't care about animals or animal welfare, it's all a class war

sabs don't care about animals or animal welfare, it's all a class war

So why am I as a very middle class horsey person thinking of going out with the local sabs?

Paid. They are employees they get paid so applied for the job. The lack of feeling is presumably recruited for. There's been an unsubstantiated account from a terrier about bonuses for certain experiences for the hunters. I guess the basic greed is their motivation. Certainly profit motivates the hunt over all.