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Original poster

To think that there are too many personal insults and attacks on Tory voters

763 replies

Soimblue · 22/12/2019 14:20

I’m really sick of it now. I don’t log on here to be called a cunt, told I hate disabled people and want to ruin the NHS.

I’m interested as to whether others feel the same or if it is just me. If it’s just me, I think I’ll piss off.

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thefluffysideofgrey · 22/12/2019 14:57

Tories are right wing! That is the point of them!

Is 'right wing' an insult now?

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 22/12/2019 14:58

OP

Nobody is telling you and all other non voters to leave though, you're the one threatening to flounce

Do what you need to do Smile

Petrichor11 · 22/12/2019 14:58

If you vote for a party led by Boris Johnson you deserve everything you get. I’m still in shock that millions of people can look at a lying bastard hiding in a fridge and think “yep, that’s the guy who should be running the country”

Graphista · 22/12/2019 14:58

What you've just described isn't a personal attack it's an opinion on the current govt and their policies which IS absolutely valid.

If you see that as a personal attack I'd say that says far more about you and your conscience than it does about the person reasonably decrying such policies.

If you're unable to "enjoy the site" because you're being confronted with the realities of what you voted for and the impact of those policies on real people then I would suggest you need to rethink your voting choices.

OwlBeThere · 22/12/2019 15:00

It’s ok OP. Loads of the poor and disabled will be dead soon enough so there will be less of us about to make you feel bad.

LakieLady · 22/12/2019 15:01

I do think that many Tory voters are very out of touch with the real world even when it comes to their own values. They give advice which isnt based on reality and think a strongly worded letter or phone call can solve all problems

Yes, the failure to realise that nearly 2 decades of cuts means that there's hardly anyone left at the council/DWP etc to answer the phone, and that we can't all afford to go and see our solicitor and get them to write a letter.

My Tory-voting, tax dodging, millionaire SIL was moaning about having to pay for something or other to do with her kids' school, and that it used to be free. When I pointed out that this was because they barely had the funds to pay teachers wages, and this was what she voted for, she was indignant that she hadn't actually voted for cuts to schools, she just wanted the council tax kept low (council tax and vat are practically the only taxes they pay).

She clearly thought voting was like pick'n'mix, you can have a bit of this, a bit of that and none of the bits you don't like.

Her DH moaned like made when he had to wait a year for NHS surgery, too.

FruitcakeOfHate · 22/12/2019 15:01

And again, why do all Tories believe anyone who didn't vote Conservative are Labour-supporters?

malificent7 · 22/12/2019 15:01

Well my Tory friend regularly slags off socialists ( me) and wont let anyone mention Corbyn's name yet she wastes no time in telling us how awful socialism us. So she's allowed a voice but im not. She is currently hardly talking to me so i feel judged for being leftie tbh.

Frothybothie · 22/12/2019 15:01

I agree with you. There's one thing saying no, I don't agree. Or Tories policies are not good, or even and better saying labour/green/ snppcsfsdlp in better because. Puriile name calling is offensive. Yes it's offensive if aimed at Tories.offensive if aimed at labour, Snp, feminist or wherever. I am surprised the moderators here allow some of the playground name calling.

If boris is a racist then why has he not been prosecuted. He is not a nazi. Jeremy Corbyn is not a nazi nor is he a Marxist.

MsMD · 22/12/2019 15:03

@MilkTwoSugarsThanks

Speaking of Trump specifically, if you vote for a racist misogynist who sexually assaults women, you cannot be offended when you are tarred with that same brush, surely. At the very very least you are saying you're ok with those things, and at the most you absolutely agree with them. Voting for them just to stick it to the other side is ridiculous.

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Soimblue · 22/12/2019 15:04

I actually laughed then owl

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BovaryX · 22/12/2019 15:04

that there is no real debate to be had

You are so closed minded and ideologically blinkered it’s staggering. This thread is an indictment of the tribal fanaticism and bigotry which has come to define Labour in its Momentum incarnation. Enjoy the political sidelines. You are going to languish there indefinitely

Graphista · 22/12/2019 15:06

@Bovaryx different political opinions are valid - but if you can’t cope with those opinions being challenged or criticised do you really believe in them?

I have Tory voters in my circle, we discuss politics at times, I don’t agree with them nor they with me but I respect that they genuinely believe in their opinions as they do with me - that’s the difference I’m addressing.

If how you vote and how that’s viewed by others with different opinions makes you uncomfortable then perhaps it’s because you don’t completely believe in that opinion is what I’m saying.

You LAUGHED at the FACT that Tory policies are leading to the deaths of the disabled, sick and otherwise vulnerable? And then you wonder why Tory voters are believed to be heartless?! I despair I really fucking despair that’s a despicable comment to make!

MidnightCircus · 22/12/2019 15:07

justcly fluffy no, being called right-wing isn't an insult but not everybody who voted Tory is right-wing, they can be centrist.

Frequency · 22/12/2019 15:07

@BovaryX, do you have a reason how Tory policy will benefit the majority of the country?

Throckmorton · 22/12/2019 15:07

I voted Labour. I bloody hate the insults that get thrown around about the way people voted. Debate the ideas; don't descend into vile personal insults.

Nonnymum · 22/12/2019 15:07

People should be polite but I and many others find it hard to understand how anyone could vote Tory. We can't stop belivng that Johnson is a mysoginist, self serving liar who uses racist language. Or that leaving the EU is the worst thing that has ever happened to the UK in my lifetime I have EU family members and friends who have been subject to racist insults and told to go home since the referendum result and those
people have felt even more enabled since the election. Johnson himself said that for too long EU citizens here have called the UK their home. Well belive it or not it is their home!. So I will never be rude to anyone who voted Tory but I won't stop being angry, upset and afraid for what is to come.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 22/12/2019 15:08

Yes anyone who votes for less.workers rights, an extreme brexit and treating our must vulnerable people as shit....

You do so need to own how you voted... As you DID vote for this

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Soimblue · 22/12/2019 15:08

I can cope with my opinions being challenged Graphista, no issue with that, but huge difference between ‘I believe the bedroom tax is harmful and cruel’ and ‘you’re a cunt who wants disabled people dead.’

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IamtheDevilsAvocado · 22/12/2019 15:09

Voting has real consequences... Its not just a matter of personal opinion...

Your vote has ensured more kids lkve in poverty and more of our rights are eroded.

tabulahrasa · 22/12/2019 15:10

“but not everybody who voted Tory is right-wing, they can be centrist.”

Well I mean anyone can vote Tory, but given they’re currently in far right territory... it’s not really much of a stretch to assume their voters are mostly right wing.

It’s not like the Tory party are currently anywhere near the centre ground of politics...

WatchingTheMoon · 22/12/2019 15:13

I'm a Labour voter and I'm sick of it too.

The level of public discourse, in general, is really one dimensional these days. People come across as quite dim when they attack people for their views.

I'm not talking about racism or sexism or anything like that, of course.

VMisaMarshmallow · 22/12/2019 15:14

If people vote for tories because they believe people with disabilities deserve culling then they are scum. If they vote Tory because they believe the bs that austerity needs to happen then I’d be frustrated with their inability to think critically. If they vote Tory because they believe Tory policies for people with disabilities are good then I’d be pissed at their stupidity. If they vote Tory because they believe in other Tory policies and that those are more important than any effect on people with disabilities I get it, but don’t lie and say Tory governments aren’t causing this harm.

People have different priorities when it comes to voting, they may feel other issues matter way more than the ones I do. I can respect that, and I don’t need to call you names.

Equally the same thought process applies to any other issue I care about - women’s rights and Labour Party for example. You vote for labour because you want women’s rights erased then your a pos. you vote for them because you feel other policies matter more then I get that even if I don’t agree.* It’s a luxury to be able to agree to disagree when policies are an actual threat to people’s lives, a luxury held by those not under threat. But it’s normally more nuanced than this in reality, where most who vote for Tories are not pro cutting all disability benefits/support etc, just that they have other issues they feel are more important than this one.

*Obviously with regards to women’s rights every party is equally as dangerous.

And I think there’s just as much hatred spewed at labour voters too.

BovaryX · 22/12/2019 15:16

@Graphista I didn’t laugh at any such thing. But if you think you can use hysterical BS and imagine that is a way to browbeat me? You’re wrong. I don’t believe in state confiscation of assets, I don’t believe in a command economy. I think McDonnell’s policies were ruinous. Turns out I am not alone. You don’t occupy the moral high ground. You just have a political opinion. Millions of us don’t share it. But that doesn’t make us evil. Your Manichean BS cuts no ice. Stop wagging your finger. It’s tedious.

MaxNormal · 22/12/2019 15:16

Tories can be centrist, but Johnson's Tories certainly aren't. I have an absolute sense of dread at the current direction of travel. I'm genuinely gobsmacked that people wanted this.
And I take it you missed the insults, eye rolls and crying laughing smileys directed at anyone left of centre in the run up to the election? And the insulting crap posted about Scotland?