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To think that there are too many personal insults and attacks on Tory voters

763 replies

Soimblue · 22/12/2019 14:20

I’m really sick of it now. I don’t log on here to be called a cunt, told I hate disabled people and want to ruin the NHS.

I’m interested as to whether others feel the same or if it is just me. If it’s just me, I think I’ll piss off.

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LexMitior · 22/12/2019 14:42

There are too many insults implies there’s an amount you would think that was okay.

None of it is okay really. But if you frame opinions and voting as the right thing and the only way, then you will cop it. People will always disagree. What’s been lost is that both major parties have become ideological and their core vote similarly so.

The new thing is banging on about said vote or party and expecting people to change their minds. That’s really stupid.

Politics is like what pants you wear. Personal. If you insist on discussing it, and won’t compromise, then expect insults. You are basically communicating you think others are less worthy than you.

AnneTwacky · 22/12/2019 14:43

The truth is the tory party is looking to sell off the nhs piece by piece.

Universal credit is untold misery.

And they are also causing problems for people with disabilities.

I appreciate you voted in good faith but the antipathy towards the tories didn't appear out of nowhere.

53rdWay · 22/12/2019 14:44

YANBU that personal insults are not helpful or constructive. And are unlikely to win anybody over to the side of whoever's doing the insulting.

A bit Hmm at the PP who doesn't want to be told they're right wing just because they voted for a right wing party, though.

ScreamingValalalalahLalalalah · 22/12/2019 14:46

Given the low level of intellegence of Labour voters it's a good thing they lost.

This is surely exactly the sort of post the OP is talking about, although aimed at Labour, not the Conservatives. Can't you see that it adds nothing to the debate? By all means, criticise a policy but simply saying that 32.2% of the people who voted in the recent election are of low intelligence is a sweeping statement that helps no one.

FruitcakeOfHate · 22/12/2019 14:46

Diddums. I don't feel an iota of sympathy for anyone who voted Tory. I'm not a Labour voter, either, it's amazing how it's just assumed anyone who thinks Tories are rotten to the core is a Labour supporter.

DippyAvocado · 22/12/2019 14:48

I wouldn't launch personal attacks but I cannot understand why people would willingly support a government which has drastically increased homelessness and food bank use while slashing education budgets. What sort of government actively does not want a well-educated population?

GailCindy · 22/12/2019 14:48

I dont think anyone should be called names BUT I do think that many Tory voters are very out of touch with the real world even when it comes to their own values. They give advice which isnt based on reality and think a strongly worded letter or phone call can solve all problems.

What I think is horrible is when I tell them my situation and they think it is okay for me to not sleep,work to my potential, have any thing nice or any luxuries just to be able to keep a roof over our heads and have a nutritious meal just because I am a carer for my disabled son and he isnt supported properly in school due to Tory cuts.

ThanosSavedMe · 22/12/2019 14:48

There is too much hatred and insulting from and against both sides. This style of politics is utter shite and not helpful to anyone.

BovaryX · 22/12/2019 14:48

^Would you rather we all left then, and MN was Labour voters only?

Is that honestly what you want?^

The vitriolic abuse of these tribal fanatics is one reason Labour was obliterated in the North. My advice? Ignore them. They think the circle jerk they occupy on Twitter means their opinion is shared by the majority. They are wrong

firstimemamma · 22/12/2019 14:49

@virginpinkmartini you've focused on a small part of my post and twisted my words. The general jist of my post was that everyone is under attack for lots of different reasons regardless of how they vote. Labour voters are called bad people too.

I personally don't believe in name-calling full stop and would never have a go at someone for how they voted. However at the same time I have no special sympathy for Tory voters especially seeing as their party won.

emilybrontescorsett · 22/12/2019 14:49

Just own what you chose.
It really is that simple.
Buts lots of voters can't.
If you can justify it fine, if you can't then stop whinging about it.

LightsInOtherPeoplesHouses · 22/12/2019 14:49

People on all "sides" are being nasty. I've seen plenty of nasty comments aimed at Labour voters from those who voted Tory. We should all mind what we say and be a bit more thoughtful and considerate of others.

LakieLady · 22/12/2019 14:49

If you think it’s tough being a Tory, try being left wing and a feminist!

Huh! Call that tough? Try being a left wing, anti-racist, environmentally conscious feminist! Grin

If Tories don't like being attacked, maybe they should have thought twice about before electing a racist, homophobic liar for their leader, or supporting policies that cause suffering for people with disabling conditions, or starving the NHS of funds.

Tories, you won. Get over it!

TildaKauskumholm · 22/12/2019 14:50

It's the same as Leave vs Remain voters, where Leavers are told they're racist, thick etc, so don't participate much. A bit sad that people can't debate stuff without this.

Graphista · 22/12/2019 14:51

Personal attacks and name calling is of course wrong...

But

It's not just directed at Tory voters far from it

As a disabled and mentally ill woman with a disabled daughter both of us having progressive conditions and who is worried sick about the likely destruction of the nhs, continuing ACTUAL not VIRTUAL financial, ideological and even physical attacks on the disabled, sick and vulnerable, demise of social care and peripheral mental health services, the removal of workers rights which I think is highly likely to include the current protections for disabled workers like my daughter, the removal of tenants rights etc etc etc I think it's a bit rich whining when this is what you voted for. It's a bit rich whining when you have been instrumental in creating these circumstances for those of us who are the most vulnerable, it's a bit rich whining when you clearly have no idea what it's been like for us for the last decade, it's a bit rich whining when you've condemned us to not only more of the same but very likely WORSE to come.

Don't like how you're seen for how you vote? Maybe change how you vote!

MidnightCircus · 22/12/2019 14:52

Because I'm more centrist, not right-wing. I'm also not wanting the economy ruined, so made sense to me to vote Tory. I could of course voted for Lib Dems, but I wanted a strong government not another split one, and happen to like the way the Tory councillor runs where I live, over the other choices I had. Does not make me right-wing any more than someone voting Labour is automatically left-wing. Sure, may have some views that go that way but there's centrist voters there too

TopBitchoftheWitches · 22/12/2019 14:52

Diddums. You chose to vote for them so own it.

Gonetoget · 22/12/2019 14:53

When you’re being gaslit you generally become quite exasperated and hit back, that way your opponent can make you out to be the crazy one.
Seems to be the Tory parties modus operandi.
I’m taking it you’ve not spent much time reading the comment threads of the right wing tabloid press. I’d direct you that way if you’re feeling misunderstood for your poor voting choices.

MidnightCircus · 22/12/2019 14:54

Could have*

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Soimblue · 22/12/2019 14:54

OK, so people do want MN to be a place just for people who voted Labour.

Just so we are clear. By the way, I don’t tend to tell people, but when you click on a thread you think is going to be about MIL out staying her welcome over Christmas and then the OP reveals that her kids have to share a room which is because of the bedroom tax and then people come in with ‘evil Tory cunts” it just really does prevent you enjoying the site.

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justcly · 22/12/2019 14:55

I'm also slightly fed up with being told I'm right wing

@MidnightCircus:

With all due respect, if you vote Tory, what on earth do you expect to be told?

53rdWay · 22/12/2019 14:56

and then the OP reveals that her kids have to share a room which is because of the bedroom tax and then people come in with ‘evil Tory cunts”

Why do you think the 'evil Tory cunts' being referred to there are the voters, rather than the politicians who brought the policy in?

I don't think it's okay to use 'cunts' as an insult either way but honestly, people are allowed to criticise political decisions.

BovaryX · 22/12/2019 14:57

Don't like how you're seen for how you vote? Maybe change how you vote!

I am a Conservative. People have different political opinions. Your opinion is just that. An opinion. You don’t occupy the moral high ground. And the tedious demonology is past its sell by date.

ScreamingValalalalahLalalalah · 22/12/2019 14:57

OK, so people do want MN to be a place just for people who voted Labour.

I don't. I voted Labour because I thought they were a less bad option than the Tories, plus my local Labour MP is very good and does a lot for the region. But even if I was a passionate Labour voter, it would be boring to be surrounded by people who thought exactly as I did.

Frequency · 22/12/2019 14:57

The vitriolic abuse of these tribal fanatics is one reason Labour was obliterated in the North

No it's not. Brexit is the reason people turned to the Tories in the North. The North, especially the NE, has been forgotten about for decades by all governments. Big promises are made about 'Northern Powerhouses' every once in a while but then after the election they go back to underfunding our public transport and allowing all our jobs to be shipped to India. A lot of Northerners wrongly blamed the EU for this.

I would like debate but, in all honesty, whenever anyone tries to defend Brexit or Tory policy their defense is either to attack the EU/Labour or is provably untrue within 30 seconds of research.

No-one has yet to give a good, solid, true reason why Tory policy/Brexit will benefit the country. Until someone can manage that there is no real debate to be had.