SNP and Scotland leaving U.K.

[Hester54]

AIBU to not understand Scotland wishing to leave the U.K., can someone explain to me without being nasty or patronising, why is Scotland’s problem with the U.K.? Even before the U.K. ref

Can someone please explain to me how Scotland is treated differently to the rest of the U.K.

“Can someone please explain to me how Scotland is treated differently to the rest of the U.K.”

It’s not, that’s the point.

But I’m now thinking you know that full well and are just being goady about it...

Scotland's budget deficit is about 7% of GDP - EU membership rules require member states to have a budget deficit below 3% - Scotland will have to make austerity cuts.

Can someone please explain to me how Scotland is treated differently to the rest of the U.K.

Same problem Wales has? The Tories largely don't give a shit about us because we don't vote for them, I assume they have the same attitude to Scotland and its issues.

Just look at any voter map from last week @Hester54

Then think about the massive gulf between the kind of things Scotland voted for, and the kind of policies so many English people voted for.

tabulahrasa No I am not, I just trying to understand why Scotland wants to leave the U.K.
I would imagine Yorkshire, Cornwall etc, doesn’t think a London based Parliament doesn’t do enough to help them

It would be interesting if the EU was to say yes or no, before a referendum. I wonder if Scotland got a definite yes from the EU how that would change a Scotland/UK referendum.

But they're not countries OP, Scotland is, and it doesn't have self-determination.

Can someone please explain to me how Scotland is treated differently to the rest of the U.K

I'm beginning to think this is just to stir up anti Scotland feelings

LightsInOtherPeoplesHouses And what are the problems? How are you treated differently?

would imagine Yorkshire, Cornwall etc, doesn’t think a London based Parliament doesn’t do enough to help them

Are these countries, like Scotland?

@Hester54

Perhaps a better question is why scotland should want to be in the UK.

What’s the positive case for us scots being in the union? What’s in it for us?

Scotland's budget deficit is about 7% of GDP - EU membership rules require member states to have a budget deficit below 3% - Scotland will have to make austerity cuts

Is it? I think this is the most successfully spread piece of fiction about Scotland I've come across. The Scottish gov has no deficit.

The uk gov spend on our behalf and then tell us we have a deficit. We didn't elect this gov, we can't stop them overspending, we can't even get them to open the books and give accurate figures.

We send down lots of money, we get about half back in a block grant. Scot gov pay for all things in Scotland including infrastructure.

The uk gov spend the rest on essentials like pensions, defence, some welfare the massive debt.

We also pay for English based infrastructure. We pay more per head for defence but no one can explain why? If we were independent we would pay a fraction of what we go now. If you read GERS you will discover that Scotland is paying more per head for a debt created by a government we didn't vote for. If we were independent we would no longer paying for uk projects.

LagunaBubbles No, I’m just trying to understand how Scotland is treated differently from the U.K.
I don’t live in Scotland so I don’t know

Many Scots voted SNP for their left of centre policies and don't want to leave the UK.

“I would imagine Yorkshire, Cornwall etc, doesn’t think a London based Parliament doesn’t do enough to help them”

They’re in England... Scotland isn’t.

What’s the positive case for us scots being in the union? What’s in it for us?

I'm all ears.

Until 1707 Scotland was a separate nation. And, it has retained many of the characteristics of nationhood, viz. it's own legal system, different education system, it's own national sports teams, it's own banknotes, it's own language - Gaelic, it's own civil organisations, eg. it's the 'Scottish RSPCA', the 'Scottish National Trust' etc.. And, it just looks and feels like a separate country; with it's distinctive housing architecture, bars instead of pubs etc..

LightsInOtherPeoplesHouses And what are the problems? How are you treated differently?

Scotland as a country has different priorities and political leanings. Scotland is more liberal etc. We cannot bring in any laws without asking England for permission.

Again, imagine that you had to abide by what Scotland said. Despite voting Conservative, you end up with an SNP government. Despite voting Leave, you end up being forced to Remain.

@Hester54 I’m Scottish as feel as patriotic to be British as I am Scottish.

Well Scotland doesn't want to leave the UK as evidenced by the independence referendum in 2014.

I think OP is hanging on for someone to say that they want independence as they don't like English people...

But I’m now thinking you know that full well and are just being goady about it

It's starting to feel like that, isn't it?

OP, one of the reasons some Scots are for independence is because they've had their fill of patronising English wankers (disclaimer: other brands of English people are available) telling them they know what's best for Scotland, better than the Scots do themselves. I hope you don't fall into that category but it's starting to look like it. Truth is, if Scotland has another Independence referendum, it doesn't need to justify its decision to you or anyone else and we shouldn't need permission from you or that wanker Johnson to ask ourselves a question.

If you're so desperate for justification though, how about this. We want our sovereignty back. We want control of our own borders (and we were quite happy with the EU set-up). We want to make our own trade deals (and we were quite happy trading inside the EU). We believe we can do better on our own. Sound familiar?

The first thing you've got wrong is that not all Scottish people want to be separate from the rest of the UK. Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP do not speak for us all.

Amortentia
(Scotland's budget deficit is about 7% of GDP)
I think this is the most successfully spread piece of fiction about Scotland I've come across.The Scottish gov has no deficit.

"National Statistics Publication for Scotland."

"Scotland’s net fiscal balance has improved for the third year in a row, according to statistics announced today by Scotland’s Chief Statistician."

Net Fiscal Balance 2018-19

"This is the difference between total revenue and total public sector expenditure including capital investment.The net fiscal balance:"

•Including an illustrative geographic share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £12.6 billion (7.0% of GDP).

•Excluding North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £14.1 billion (8.5% of GDP).
•For the UK, was a deficit of £23.5 billion (1.1% of GDP).

www.gov.scot/news/government-expenditure-revenue-scotland-2018-19/