SNP and Scotland leaving U.K.

[Hester54]

AIBU to not understand Scotland wishing to leave the U.K., can someone explain to me without being nasty or patronising, why is Scotland’s problem with the U.K.? Even before the U.K. ref

Yes and all the Scotland is different politically - not different from London which is the Uk cash cow. Why cut yourself off from a London you are in political agreement with?
Plus the deficit regions of England and Scotland all voting for nationalist parties.

I don’t get the Scottish exceptionalism on politics or why independence would give Scotland anything other than an austerity we are coming to the end of.

In simple terms op, It's not about being treated differently from the rest of the UK, Scotland is a country and would like to make its own decisions. If your ndn took all your money, gave you some back and made all the decisions for your household would you like it?
A gov we didn't vote for but have to have it anyway!
Nuclear weapons and waste dumped, our mp's treated with contempt.
Being saddled with debts that we don't have any say over.
Closing all Scottish export ports so we can't see the true value.
Being lied to about the eu
Poll tax
Having policies we don't agree with ie bedroom tax, rape clause, immigration
I could go on
Hope that helps you understand 😊
Plus we don't hate the English your more than welcome to come oan up

In what way is Scotland not different politically from London? We both may have voted remain but there’s not much similarity beyond that I wouldn’t have thought.

All of this Scotland doesn’t have economic lever control/doesn’t have the data doesn’t add up to a proper plan to afford independence, it’s spouted by people who would be happy to live on a diet of turnips throwing mud over the economic factors to get people to vote for turnips.

Plus where is the expertise? By your own arguments you say Scotland has no in house economic expertise. The devolved NHS and education certainly hasn’t gone so well of late.

The reason labour has til now not abandoned a union stance is because having fiscal transfers over a wider area (from London out) means you can help more people.

London voted remain, yes. London mostly a safe left wing area with more people in favour of the type of big state Corbyn polices the SNP have been able to afford because of net financial transfers from London.

Tell me how you think London is different from Scotland? Hugely multi cultural, international and close to what the SNP always says it wants Scotland to be.

if you work for a uk wide organisation, you’ll likely spend a considerable amount of time explaining that xyz policy or decision won’t work in Scotland because of the legal/social implications

and you may even get people getting really annoyed at the fact that you point out Scottish law is different. During 2018 I was working for an organisation giving legal advice - I am qualified in England/Wales and Ireland, but not Scotland. I was being asked to advise on a UK-wide initiative, where I knew there were concerns under Scottish law, but I'm not qualified to advise on them, so they'd need to get Scottish law advice. The bloke wasn't impressed asking why they were bothering to pay for me if I didn't know anything about Scottish law etc. I did know about this aspect of Scottish law, but I'm not advising on something I am not qualified to advise on!

So yes there are idiots.

And I also agree about the BBC's English bias. They will talk about "the NHS in England" but when do they ever talk about the NHS in Scotland (or Wales, or NI).

It would also be nice if England could have its own national anthem and not use the British one.

@reallychrsitmasagain

It's interesting you bring up my turnip diet, why not have a bash at discussing some of the interesting points @Sortofbutnotreally has brought up?

London is in England and Scotland is Scotland, a country of its own. Sharing some political sentiment is just that and only that.

@reallychristmasaaagain London is a city, Scotland is a nation. So it's pretty different, really.

That said, as a London resident I'd be all for London independence, given the way that most of the rest of England has voted.

Tell me how you think London is different from Scotland? Hugely multi cultural, international and close to what the SNP always says it wants Scotland to be.

London has a similar population to Scotland squeezed into a pretty small space, Scotland has a huge semi rural and rural population. The complexities of service provision and supports are hugely increased by The geography of Scotland together with a much colder climate. Just the fact that you’d ask how they’re different shows your level of ignorance.

Scotland as a nation has a very different ethos to the rest of the uk

I think when you say the rest of the UK an argument could be made that you mean England. Except for Brexit where obviously Wales lost the plot.

And I also agree about the BBC's English bias. They will talk about "the NHS in England" but when do they ever talk about the NHS in Scotland (or Wales, or NI).

I love it when they have a report on, say, education in England and Wales and then only talk about England.

Does London have it's own legal system? It's own education system, it's own Church? Does it produce food for export, generate enough power to sell? How about it's own water supply?

@jellycatspyjamas

Just the fact that you’d ask how they’re different shows your level of ignorance.

I've thought that a lot about some of the comments on here. It's staggering!

Indeed. All we need now is someone to claim they know all about Scotland because they’ve got a Scottish gran...

And yes Northern Ireland and Wales have their differences too but it would be wrong to think the three nations are similar. The situation in Northern Ireland is considerably different not leafy because they don’t have a sitting devolved government so progress on devolved issues is pretty much frozen at the moment. I think of the three Scotland is the more straightforward in terms of governance and potential independence.

Scotland is actually a very urbanised nation.

When Ian Blackford speak Boris can’t even be bothered putting down his phone- how’s that for contempt?