To think that Turkeys Voted for Christmas?

[StormzysHat]

NC. This could appear goady but honestly it's a genuine confusion to me.

According to what we are led to believe by the media / some people on MN, "northerners" (as a generic group) voted for Conservatives because they are disadvantaged and fed up with the north south divide among other reasons.

How come disadvantaged Londoners voted Labour? I work in support sector and many people in my care will be in shelters this Christmas, and others rely on food banks. They were saddened and disheartened by Labour's loss and felt the Conservatives in no way represent them. This is on top of the Tory devised hostile environment and Windrush scandal making peoples' lives hell.

I understand that people are / have been pissed off and wanted to have their voices heard. But WHY would the very communities ravaged by the Tories in the 80's vote for them?

Why is it that Corbyn who lives in a very modest way, in Upper Holloway and who went to grammar school is seen as less acceptable than an old Etonian millionaire proven liar? How can Boris Jonson be seen as someone who can help the north south divide or to champion the working class FFS??

I completely accept Corbyn's leadership has been poor and don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan. BUT, given the alternative, I can't understand HOW working class people could vote for Johnson?

AIBU to think the turkeys just voted for Christmas?

[StormzysHat]

@x2boys another poster was the one who started calling people stupid. I have never done this and prefaced my post by asking a genuine question. So yes I am interested in knowing the reasons- because they don't always come across clearly in the media or with the generalised vox pops and none of the working class in my social or professional world voted Tory so I can't ask them. Thank you for explaining your POV.

[CosmoK]

Exactly trewser that and people don't like Corbyn....I don't see why that's do hard to understand.

[crispysausagerolls]

Labour supporters have changed.

They used to be those who are in need and struggling, and want help etc.

Now it’s all virtue signalling Students, loud protesting Waitrose shopping middle class and social media harassing celebrities.

How is someone from Sedgefield who wants to put food on the table going to identify with that? Better the Tory message of getting Brexit done, getting on, working hard.

Not Quentin and his avocado smash worrying about the poor refugees whilst not taking any in himself.

[Trewser]

Read the JANICE TURNER ARTICLE

[StormzysHat]

@ThroughThickAndThin01 I've mentioned that up thread. It's an expression. It summarises my concern that the very people who voted Tory will be the worst affected by their policies. I can change it to Christmas Trees voting for Christmas if that means you'll take it less literally.

[jinglebitch]

Hardly any one here has actually answered the OPs really quite reasonable question. All they've done as far as I can see is serve to underline her point. "Perhaps they remember the economy under labour"...Well a quick Google shows that the National debt has gone from 0.5 to 1.8 TRILLION pounds in the last 10 years. Just like a quick Google reveals Boris Johnson to be a proven liar, who's repeatedly been sacked for lying, is sexist and racist, and quite possibly in bed with all manner of Russian business man. (Google the Russian mountain in Italy and Johnson) Similarly, googling Jeremy Cornyn reveals someone who received a peace prize for his work in finding peace in Northern Ireland (OMG he met terrorists! How do you fricking negotiate peace without meeting both sides you are negotiating with, I'd like to ask)
In this age of social media, I find that I like to fact check random assertions made by posts I see ( and this election, sadly also by the BBC) It doesn't take long, and is quite easy to establish truth by looking at repetition and sources of stories. It just feels like those people who are so keen on the Tory party and Brexit are going by "gut", and their guts have subconsciously been influenced by media all around them. And perhaps if they'd bothered to do a bit of research, their guts would tell them something different.
Or, like some Tories I've now blocked from my Facebook, maybe they just feel that they shouldn't pay to support the vulnerable of society, and that people who use food banks should "get off their arses and go to work". In which case, I just despair.

[crispysausagerolls]

@koshkat

I agree - that comment is fucking vile

[StormzysHat]

@namechangenugget so would YOU just roll over and "get over it" if the Monster Raving Loony party won a majority?

[Trewser]

@StormzysHat

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/corbyn-is-clueless-about-the-working-class-683k78n7z?shareToken=a902a2ddb8ab08cec271f0186ea1ef05

[crispysausagerolls]

@jinglebitch

Have you seen @Awwlookatmybabyspider ‘s vile post? Not just the Tories are nasty towards the poor, apparently.

[CallmeAngelina]

If you do not understand the phrase ‘turkeys voting for Christmas’ OP, I suggest you stop using it

[crispysausagerolls]

@StormzysHat

Comparing the monster raving looney party with one of the two main parties in the UK, who has won half the general elections ever, is ridiculous.

[koshkat]

Or, like some Tories I've now blocked from my Facebook, maybe they just feel that they shouldn't pay to support the vulnerable of society, and that people who use food banks should "get off their arses and go to work".

Or like some Corbynites - one of whom is on this thread - saying that if poor people voted Tory then why should they be helped people donating to food banks?

[StormzysHat]

So @crispysausagerolls by saying Johnson is likeable and that doing farcical milk rounds and the like is why people voted for him, the you are seriously saying that personality trumps policy in those voters' minds.

[R1R2]

@Awwlookatmybabyspider "kinder gentler politics" unless you disagree with us in which case fuck you.

T H I S I S W H Y Y O U L O S T

[Trewser]

Personality has a huge amount to do with it, but as we keep saying, people in this country do not want socialism.

[koshkat]

Yes that post is fucking outrageous and has really upset me. What kind of person actually thinks like that? Sickening.

[Awwlookatmybabyspider]

You’ve clearly mistaken me for someone who gives a hoot what you think, @crispysausagerolls
Don’t be waiting for me to take my comment back. It ain’t happening

[Xenia]

crispy sums it up well just above.

many of us from the North East know how much good the Conservatives did in the 1980s, transforming the ocuntry from the dire situation of the 1970s, the 3 day weeks, the constant strikes. Not surprisingly Bishop Auckland where my grandfather was a local politician (Liberal and then Independent ) and was born and my father was born, now has its first Conservative MP since 1935. The people up there simply have a lot of common sense and realise Labour cannot run a country properly.

[Trewser]

Ooh you're hard.

[Awwlookatmybabyspider]

Same goes for you R1R2.

[Trewser]

spider that is

xenia, i imagine you are also quite hard in your own way

[koshkat]

Don’t be waiting for me to take my comment back. It ain’t happening

So poor people who did not vote the way that you thought they should have can get to fuck?

[crispysausagerolls]

@Awwlookatmybabyspider

I don’t expect you to care at all what I think - just like you don’t care about the poor! 😁