To think that Turkeys Voted for Christmas?

[StormzysHat]

NC. This could appear goady but honestly it's a genuine confusion to me.

According to what we are led to believe by the media / some people on MN, "northerners" (as a generic group) voted for Conservatives because they are disadvantaged and fed up with the north south divide among other reasons.

How come disadvantaged Londoners voted Labour? I work in support sector and many people in my care will be in shelters this Christmas, and others rely on food banks. They were saddened and disheartened by Labour's loss and felt the Conservatives in no way represent them. This is on top of the Tory devised hostile environment and Windrush scandal making peoples' lives hell.

I understand that people are / have been pissed off and wanted to have their voices heard. But WHY would the very communities ravaged by the Tories in the 80's vote for them?

Why is it that Corbyn who lives in a very modest way, in Upper Holloway and who went to grammar school is seen as less acceptable than an old Etonian millionaire proven liar? How can Boris Jonson be seen as someone who can help the north south divide or to champion the working class FFS??

I completely accept Corbyn's leadership has been poor and don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan. BUT, given the alternative, I can't understand HOW working class people could vote for Johnson?

AIBU to think the turkeys just voted for Christmas?

[MidnightCircus]

Dunno about lookatmybabyspider. More like lookatthegiantchiponmyshoulder

[Clavinova]

If it was a second referendum (I disagree btw) then Remain won as more people voted for Remain/second referendum parties than voted for Leave parties.

Labour were supposed to be neutral though - they were going to negotiate a 'better' Brexit deal. How many voters wanted Brexit and lots of freebies?

[crispysausagerolls]

@StormzysHat

Are you wilfully misconstruing what ive said?

Personality is a LARGE CONTRIBUTING FACTOR.

It’s not everything. I’ve mentioned several other factors. And a PP is correct about socialism too.

[Awwlookatmybabyspider]

Well only the rich will get richer under the Tories.

[PineappleDanish]

Is this like the grieving process for Labour activists?

They've gone through the shock and disbelief stage when the exit poll was released, and the results were announced.

We're now in the anger phase where they're lashing out and calling everyone thick.

Eventually they'll get into the acceptance phase, put it behind them and start to rebuild.

(Not a Labour voter. Or a Conservative voter.)

[slipperywhensparticus]

Corbyn was going to deliver brexit he was just going to give us the opportunity to vote for the fucking deal 🙇‍♀️ I'm tired of the misinformation touted on these threads fuck off to the politics part of the site and debate there

[WhentheRabbitsWentWild]

NC

Yea, figures.

[Awwlookatmybabyspider]

Can you tell where exactly I wrote the words
“I don’t care about the poor”.
Of course I care about the poor which is why I’m angry at them for deliberately making things worse for themselves.

[R1R2]

@Awwlookatmybabyspider quite honestly i couldn't give a fuck what you do, but your double standards are truly laughable. Labour is the new nasty party.

[Seriouslyconfused3]

Bravo to you liberal southerners! Keeping us northerners in our place- poor, uneducated, racist folk that we are.

How dare we express an opinion contrary to what you all think is good for us.

[MidnightCircus]

pineapple I'd agree with you, but they were in the anger phase before the election results came in

[TheGardenFairy]

There are 17 people, of voting age, in my immediate family. We all live in Wales. Aged between 18 and 56.

All but 3 voted Tory. One voted Labour (reason being because his grandfather always voted Labour 🤔). One voted LibDem - (despite her being extremely vocal in her vehement disagreement about self identifying trans in women's spaces 🙄) The other spoilt her paper because she didn't know who to vote for 🤷‍♀️ So out of 17 people 3 had no idea of who they voted for and why.

[koshkat]

Of course I care about the poor which is why I’m angry at them for deliberately making things worse for themselves.

I am angry that they didn't do what I thought that they should so fuck them.

[dognamedspot]

From the Labour Party manifesto:
The Final Say on Brexit
Labour will give the people the final say on Brexit. Within three months of coming to power, a Labour government will secure a sensible deal. And within six months, we will put that deal to a public vote alongside the option to remain. A Labour government will implement whatever the people decide.
So this isn't true is it? Labour left the door open to remain and not deliver Brexit.
"Corbyn was going to deliver brexit he was just going to give us the opportunity to vote for the fucking deal 🙇‍♀️ "

[StormzysHat]

CAN WE JUST STOP A MINUTE! And breathe!

There are some horrible posts on here. I did NOT call anyone stupid and those Labour voting posters who have done so I am NOT in agreement with you. Please don't just resort to insults - on either side.

Please can we stop labelling people stupid, or whatever, and can we equally stop defining all Labour voters as one thing or for that matter people from London or whatever.

As my OP stated I asked a genuine question. As I have already stated the turkeys expression summarises my concerns that the people who voted will be worst affected. I have suggested I change it to Christmas trees voting for Christmas in order to make it less offensive to some. It was not my intention to offend. Read my op and surely that is clear. The turkeys thing is NOT meant as an insult but was an expression because I'm concerned that some vulnerable people will be worst affected.

It's interesting and helpful when people actually respond with thoughtful comments rather than just telling people to shut up or get over it.

[crispysausagerolls]

Well only the rich will get richer under the Tories

No, they will stay as rich as they are. What they won’t do is have enormous tax cuts as labour proposed and leave.

[Whizbang]

ODFOD. The turkeys voted against economic Armageddon, spiteful identity politics, anti-semitism and Brexit fence sitting. Well done to them all.

[koshkat]

People can’t cry poverty and not do anything to help themselves by voting Tories and then at the same time expect people to put their hand in their pockets for food banks etc.

And this - your earlier post spider just in case anyone has not seen it.
You really should be ashamed not doubling down.

[Awwlookatmybabyspider]

It’s what I know that’s important not what you think you know.@koshkat

[crispysausagerolls]

@Whizbang

Nail on the head

[Leighhalfpennysthigh]

People can’t cry poverty and not do anything to help themselves by voting Tories and then at the same time expect people to put their hand in their pockets for food banks etc.

Unfortunately I agree. I'm not bailing out people who were stupid enough to believe the lies that Boris Johnson has spouted, or deluded enough to think that he's anything other than a lying, racist, misogynistic, homophobic cheat.

[Besidesthepoint]

Either you believe in democracy, or you don't. If you believe in democracy then you need to accept the vote for brexit and for the conservatives. If you don't then try out how you like North Korea. It is led by a man who also thinks he knows better than the rest of the people.

[Sandaled]

YABU to use the phrase turkeys voting for Christmas.

[CendrillonSings]

OP - your attitude is why Labour lost in its worst defeat since 1935 - before Corbyn was even born!

Well done!

[koshkat]

Sorry I don't understand your point. All I can see is an angry Corbynista pissed off with poorer people in society not voting the way that you thought they should have. And then saying that they deserve to suffer hardship because of this.
Is there any more to it, really?