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AIBU?

To think that Turkeys Voted for Christmas?

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StormzysHat · 15/12/2019 13:45

NC. This could appear goady but honestly it's a genuine confusion to me.

According to what we are led to believe by the media / some people on MN, "northerners" (as a generic group) voted for Conservatives because they are disadvantaged and fed up with the north south divide among other reasons.

How come disadvantaged Londoners voted Labour? I work in support sector and many people in my care will be in shelters this Christmas, and others rely on food banks. They were saddened and disheartened by Labour's loss and felt the Conservatives in no way represent them. This is on top of the Tory devised hostile environment and Windrush scandal making peoples' lives hell.

I understand that people are / have been pissed off and wanted to have their voices heard. But WHY would the very communities ravaged by the Tories in the 80's vote for them?

Why is it that Corbyn who lives in a very modest way, in Upper Holloway and who went to grammar school is seen as less acceptable than an old Etonian millionaire proven liar? How can Boris Jonson be seen as someone who can help the north south divide or to champion the working class FFS??

I completely accept Corbyn's leadership has been poor and don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan. BUT, given the alternative, I can't understand HOW working class people could vote for Johnson?

AIBU to think the turkeys just voted for Christmas?

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StormzysHat · 15/12/2019 14:35

@WYP2018 thanks for your post which I read with interest. I'm sorry you took the turkeys thing literally. It's an expression I used, to express how (to my eyes) it seems that the very people who voted will be the very people who differ as a result of the Tories. I hope you can understand my rationale for using that expression. It doesn't mean I think people are stupid and I've NEVER said that.

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MidnightCircus · 15/12/2019 14:36

That's why we dont let turkeys vote spider stupid feathered bastards just don't get it

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 15/12/2019 14:37

Jeremy is not likeable.

Oh and racist homophobic lying bigot is so adorable. It must be me.

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koshkat · 15/12/2019 14:37

Beautiful house! (off topic I know)

OP - the turkeys voting for Christmas comment means that you are saying that those people are thick. Do you not understand the phrase?

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Confusedbeetle · 15/12/2019 14:37

@ssd
" can only surmise, that people are thick. They believe what they read in the sun or the mirror, or what they see on fb. They think someone with a posh voice knows better than them. They love a bit of tugging the forelock and knowing your betters. They believe whatever they're told.
And don't the tories know it."

OH Dear oh dear oh dear! How very thick I am not to know that MN labour remainers understand what ordinary people want

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Trewser · 15/12/2019 14:37

Boris was on the news for weeks, visiting schools, baking stuff, talking to people, kissing his dog.

Corbyn stalked about looking peevish.

I know it shouldn't matter, but it does.

Boris was positive about the future of this country. Labour were negative beyond belief. People are DESPERATE for positivity OP, and rightly or wrongly they felt that BJ gave them hope.

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StormzysHat · 15/12/2019 14:38

@TheGirlFromStoryville your post makes a lot of sense.

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WeirdCatLady · 15/12/2019 14:38

Gee OP, well your coherent argument has totally swayed me. I apologise completely for being a racist, stupid, Tory-voting idiot. Let’s try again and maybe this time I’ll.......nope, no thanks. But hey, you keep wittering away if you must, dear

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koshkat · 15/12/2019 14:38

It has also proved time and time and TIME again to be closely linked to totalitarian regimes which don't tolerate dissent and don't let people hold any other opposing views. (Sound familiar).

So much this.

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crispysausagerolls · 15/12/2019 14:39

but Style is important. It’s one of the reasons Tony Blair won so many people over, despite being only marginally left of centre. I can’t stand the man but he was a breath of fresh air at the time. Charisma and EFFORT. People want to feel that someone is actually focussing on them directly. Listening to them. Boris made so many feel like that with his Brexit message.

People also want decisiveness in this time, and they want an end to all the fucking voting and polls blah blah blah. Johnson offered both of these things. It’s not right to label him racist if you aren’t going to accept other people will see Corbyn as anti-Semitic so these labels cancel each other out, if you see what I mean.

Let’s be honest, look at the last general election. Theresa May should have never gotten in. She wasn’t likeable. She wasn’t charismatic (I said this as a Tory). She was focussing on the fox hunting ban repeal and fucking the elderly over. Fields of fucking wheat.

That Jeremy corbyn was not popular enough to beat her AND STILL DID NOT STAND DOWN!! He actually DOUBLED DOWN on his message that people didn’t vote for!

What the fuck does that say?! It says he is a moron and his hubris is unreal.

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 15/12/2019 14:39

People can’t cry poverty and not do anything to help themselves by voting Tories and then at the same time expect people to put their hand in their pockets for food banks etc.

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crispysausagerolls · 15/12/2019 14:39

@FFSFFSFFS

you are SO right

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whiteroseredrose · 15/12/2019 14:40

I think a major part was frustration re Brexit. The whole process has dragged on too long and, even as a Remainer I think it's time the plaster was ripped off. Labour's stance would have dragged things out even further.

Plus the policies just didn't seem believable or achievable. A pie in the sky wish list of free, free, free and then a pay rise and a 4 day week to boot (don't get me started). It was all too obviously nonsense.

I believe that's why people didn't vote Labour. They didn't believe them.

Boris has promised Brexit and from what I could see, not much else. So there's less he can let people down about.

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crispysausagerolls · 15/12/2019 14:41

@Awwlookatmybabyspider

This is actually very nasty towards the poor. Perhaps you should be looking at WHY they felt they couldn’t vote for labour, than nastily blaming them for not doing so, and acting as though they are “undeserving poor” (very ironic given that this is how Tories supposedly view the poor).

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whiteroseredrose · 15/12/2019 14:41

FFSFFSFFS is right!

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koshkat · 15/12/2019 14:41

People can’t cry poverty and not do anything to help themselves by voting Tories and then at the same time expect people to put their hand in their pockets for food banks etc.

Fucking hell, this is a breathtaking comment. I am actually shocked. So much for the caring, sharing left eh? FFS.

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Bluntness100 · 15/12/2019 14:41

God how many times is this question going to be asked.

Honestly can't you just read each other's threads, no need to start a new one.

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StormzysHat · 15/12/2019 14:42

@Tewser Everyone's a bit sick of Londoners saying they have it worse than anyone tbh. Try and visit some of the northern towns who voted Tory.

First of all, when have I said Londoners have it worse? I simply pointed out many of the challenges they face. Earlier you positioned yourself as wealthy or at least "not poor" by calling poor people "them". So I'll turn the question back on you- how do YOU know what working class Londoners experience? Do you think that London bashing is the way to deal with this or does it just make you feel good?

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horse4course · 15/12/2019 14:42

The election showed the popular vote narrowly went to pro-2ref parties, approx 53%.

FPTP means there was a Tory majority but more people voted for 2ref policies than Tory leave ones.

I don't think the election can be taken as a statement of support for brexit. It's as split as 2016 with a slight tilt towards remain. It's academic as the Tories will take us out, I suppose.

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koshkat · 15/12/2019 14:43

Yes we are back to the deserving and the undeserving poor and if you voted Tory then fuck you, you can do without.

I despair of the left just now. What a horror show.

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 15/12/2019 14:43

The Tories despise the poor so Why do the poor adore them so much.
I don’t understand.

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Trewser · 15/12/2019 14:43

People don't want Socialism

This could answer every single tedious thread on this subject.

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WobblyAllOver · 15/12/2019 14:44

God how many times is this question going to be asked.

I think it keeps getting asked because they don't want to hear or believe the reasons behind it. Many people have said why they voted Conservative but it just doesn't fit the narrative that the labour supporters and leadership want to hear.

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R1R2 · 15/12/2019 14:44

@koshkat They only care if you do as you are told

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Trewser · 15/12/2019 14:45

I don't think the election can be taken as a statement of support for brexit

Ha ha fucking...ha

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