AIBU that an independent Scotland ill have to have a hard border to ensure the rest of the UK keeps control of its borders when Scotland joins theEU

[monstiebags]

Whilst I totally agree that Scotland has the right to become independent, it seems to me that they want to push though a vote without telling the people how they expect to fund themselves, what currency they will use and what trading agreement they expect to have with the UK. I really think that these things should be made clear to the rest of the UK before they are allowed their rightful vote - A weak Scotland using our currency could drag us all down with them and a soft border would encourage the continued uncontrolled migration to England via Scotland. AIBU

Who says Scotland can join the EU?Does it meet the requirements?

Hasn't Boris told them they're not getting a second referendum?

appollo I'm with you.

Boris said no

As a Scottish remain voter and still a remain voter I disagree and say YABU. It’s not up to any other country, England, France Germany, wherever to have a say on the Scottish peoples right to independence. It is, however, perfectly reasonable for decisions to be made regarding currency, borders etc in the event it was ever to happen so both the other members of the UK know where they stand as will Scotland. I think it’s very silly of the pro independence campaigners to assume that everything would be great and we would be able to remain in the EU, use the £ etc. From where I stand we’re better together even if we do have a government that I didn’t vote for.

For indyref1 Scottish citizens had a detailed manifesto, with all the facts and figures available to them. I imagine it will be the same for indyref2.

I imagine an independent Scotland would initially be in the EEA rather than full EU membership and would initially use sterling as we do now before moving to an independent currency.

There will be a transition period.

Why should Scotland have to provide all of that information when the British government didn’t provide the equivalent Brexit information?

@Apolloanddaphne

Would they let Scotland into the EU? I doubt it as then that would fuel the Catalan independence movement.

Why should Scotland have to provide all of that information when the British government didn’t provide the equivalent Brexit information?

How old are you? 14?

Why should your kids get a stocking for Christmas when their friends don't?

You’ve got the wrong end of the stick there OP-
England will need a hard border, just like it needs to figure out the Irish border.
Not up to Scotland to fix your mess and patrol your borders. So when you’ve figured it out, do let us know.

@monstiebags
I take offence at the comment about a weak Scotland bringing down OUR currency. It is not English currency. It is the currency of all the nations.

I think I’d rather choose how we are screwed than have it imposed on us by a government we don’t want.

I don’t see why we couldn’t keep using the pound and I don’t think any of those things should be mandatory to ‘allow’ us to decide what we want.

Boris has told them they're not getting a second referendum therein lies the problem. We don't want a Tory government but it doesn't matter as we have to do what England tells us.

I there is a transition period and divorce bill, and continued use of our currency, I really feel that the rest of the UK will have to have a say in the final Scottish deal. Personally, I would be quite glad to no longer have Scottiesh MPs sitting in the UK parliament - England does not have its own parliament, a state of affairs which is totally ridiculous.

monstiethe pound sterling is officially UK currency not English money. Wise up!

We don't want a Tory government but it doesn't matter as we have to do what England tells us.

You could have opted out in 2014, but chose not to.

Sturgeon can rant on tv as much as she wants. If the govenrmet isn't in power in Westminster doesn't allow it she has no power to force it. Any talk of Catalonia style referendums would be null and void and however much people like cherry come up with court cases the law is clear on this point.

Who says Scotland can join the EU?Does it meet the requirements

Yes, it does.

Sadly this is an academic question at least for the next five years. I am personally in favour of an independent Scotland, but the result of the GE is such that some things are off the table now for five years.

Mr Johnson will never grant an IndyRef 2 referendum, and the law is quite clear so that no court action will succeed.

Scotland does not currently meet the deficit criteria for an EU country (should be 3% of GDP, currently around 7% I think) so anyone voting for independence thinking that EU membership is going to be handed easily to Scotland needs to really consider that it might not be. Also Scotland would have to take the Euro.

Bluebeck what makes you say that? What about the deficit?

Bluebeck Scotland's debt is too high surely, above the 3%...you'd have to adopt the Euro, and don't you need a central bank as well, which Scotland won't have if it leaves the Union?

If you want independence, then don't join the EU, as you'd be signing it away. Ever closer union means just that. Better surely to be in a union of four, with voices in Parliament, than lost in the horsetrading and noise in Brussels, where QMV means your opinion wouldn't matter a bit.