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To still like Jeremy Corbyn?

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malificent7 · 14/12/2019 06:59

I think it's right that he stepped down as the public clearly didn't get him...hated him even but i think he stands for the good in society. I actually think he is correctvto call out Israel for being bastards to Palestine and whilst ge apparently supports terroism ( ira), i think he is a negotiator ...the UK shafted Ireland hugely and the IRA is a consequence of that. We need people to negotiate with them.
I slso think remaining neutral on Brexit was the right thing to do but respecting the will of the people.

I don't hate Boris but he has got away with a lot. He has said many racist slurs, he hates women, he has multiple illegitimate children yet blames women, he switched sides re Brexit, oh and he's happy to trade with people like Saudi Arabia who have awful human rights. But apparently Jeremy is the bad one.

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DonkeyHotty · 14/12/2019 08:52

Can I also add to that 10 million figure: I, and mana many more had to vote tactically. My Lib Dem vote was actually for Corbyn, and I know that among my social circle, I was in no way alone in that.

MissEliza · 14/12/2019 08:52

His neutral stand on Brexit wasn't a grown up thing to do! The future of our country depends on how Brexit is handled. The leader of the opposition needs to take a stand and lay out his vision for the future of this country. It's his job to take a stand.
Of course some people are just blind, deaf and dumb when it comes to Corbyn.

Marleyisme · 14/12/2019 08:53

They agreed with him enough to vote for him. It’s the same at the other end; twelve million people - many of whom aren’t instinctive Tory voters - agreed with Johnson enough to vote for him. That’s politics. There is a core set of values and then some other stuff around that. Corbyn appealedenoughto ten million people to secure their votes.

No, you dont have to agree with a leader to vote for them. Look at threads on here lots of people saying they voted labour even though they could stand him and did agree his plan would work. Most people agrees that we need to reduce poverty, increase Mental health support etc. But many people voted and did not agree with the way JC wanted to do with it. But they felt the same about all the candidates and wouldnt vote conservatives.

Voting for a party doesnt mean you endorse the leader on all they do. Many people vote because they want to keep their local MP but hate the leader.

Declaring that 10 million people must agree with him and his views, because they voted for him is naive.

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merrymouse · 14/12/2019 08:53

And he's a multi millionaire.

Sorry, have I misread something - Corbyn is a multi millionaire?

jcurve · 14/12/2019 08:53

But not winning means the Conservatives are in power. Labour can do absolutely nothing now to deflect whatever the Cons are going to inflict upon the country.

I would argue that winning is literally the key point of leading a party into a GE.

Marleyisme · 14/12/2019 08:53

Can I also add to that 10 million figure: I, and mana many more had to vote tactically. My Lib Dem vote was actually for Corbyn, and I know that among my social circle, I was in no way alone in that.

How did that work out for you?

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 08:54

MarshaBradyo

I don’t. I want a leader with ethical policies, who tells the truth and doesn’t hide in fridges or avoid the proper scrutiny of the electorate. Unfortunately I got Boris Johnson. That doesn’t change my support for Corbyn. I would have voted for him if I had been one person, let alone one of ten million.

Marleyisme · 14/12/2019 08:54

Sorry, have I misread something - Corbyn is a multi millionaire?

How much is his house worth? He has lots in assets.

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 08:55

No, you dont have to agree with a leader to vote for them. Look at threads on here lots of people saying they voted labour even though they could stand him and did agree his plan would work

But the same goes for Johnson. If he is taking Labour seats then it stands to reason that some people are voting for him holding their noses.

All we have are the numbers. Ten million people voted Labour.

MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2019 08:55

There’s no point in being principled but powerless and it’s irritating (understatement) that the large centre left are not represented by anyone due to Corbyn and Momentum.

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 08:56

I would argue that winning is literally the key point of leading a party into a GE.

But not at the cost of your integrity.

MustardScreams · 14/12/2019 08:56

I have huge amounts of respect for Jeremy. Doesn’t stop me being utterly furious with him for not listening to everyone that said he wouldn’t win an election and stepping down.

Now we’re stuck with Brexit, and an evil wanker as PM.

DonkeyHotty · 14/12/2019 08:57

@MissEliza do you sneer at all his supporters so dismissively? I can reassure you that I did A LOT of research of manifestos, articles and debates throughout the whole campaign. Personally though if we’re going to stoop to such insults I think BoJo supporters have been wilfully ignorant and fingers in ears themselves.

MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2019 08:58

Church I can understand it fits with your personal politics but the outcome of Corbyn is Johnson winning. It would be far better to have a strong opposition who could win.

Marleyisme · 14/12/2019 08:58

Lots of MPs need to drop the 'I am one of the people', no one believes them

Yvette cooper who is constantly saying how she lives in hwe constituency, failed to mention her house is massive, secluded, plenty of land, one of the most expensive houses for miles, with towering trees between them and the rest of us. She doesnt live like the rest of us. She might as well live elsewhere.

People are fed up of her, hence her steadily falling majority

MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2019 08:59

Also Corbyn doesn’t need to drop his principles he just needs to stop being Labour leader.

jcurve · 14/12/2019 09:00

But not at the cost of your integrity.

Yep, this “integrity” you speak of means there are now millions let down who will suffer under the Cons because Jeremy couldn’t get the job done and win an election that has been wide open for the taking over the last 3 years.

He’s let his voters and supporters down far more than Boris ever has.

AlexanderHalexander · 14/12/2019 09:01

Thing is, he seems like a nice enough man, but not intelligent or charismatic enough to be a leader.

I believe he got 2 Es at A level and dropped out of uni. He surrounded himself with sychophants and yes man, and purged any internal opposition. The people he put in top leadership positions were inexperienced (the only criteria being a ‘corbynista’ and did not really know what they were doing.

I believe he allowed his vanity and sense of self righteousness to blind him to reality: the electorate don’t like him, and would never vote for him. The polls had been saying he was deeply unpopular with no chance of winning for months/years, but whenever theirs was raised by a member of the Labour Party they were accused of being a Blairite fascist.

I remember arguing with Corbyn supporters on twitter abut something, and was called a cunt, scum, a nazi, (I’m a left wing labour supporter!) and that they believed in the ‘movement’. You can’t argue with madness like this, it’s like a fire, it just has to burn out. Now it has, though I’ve not seen any meaningful reflection form an JC supporter.

The Labour Party needs to rebuild itself, and become a party where being the most left wing doesn’t equal the best, but rather utilising the best talent to rebuild a centre-left party that can win the next election.

So, I guess YANBU for thinking Jeremy Corbyn a nice guy, but YABU for thinking that this mess isn’t at least 50% his doing.

Mammyloveswine · 14/12/2019 09:02

I love Jeremy Corbyn!

CalamityJune · 14/12/2019 09:03

@churchandstate sorry, that's nonsense. Integrity would have been listening to the clear messages that he was incredibly unpopular with swathes of Labour voters. This country needs the Labour party, and he has reduced it's impact to nothing.

It's not principled or showing integrity. It shows stubbornness and that he was out of touch with the VAST majority of Labour voters.

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 09:05

I will just have to agree to disagree with those who think politics is about shaping your message and policies to agree with the voters and then changing them when you get into power, and with those people who think truth and integrity don’t matter. But I’m not going to spend the day arguing about it, I have stuff to do. 🤷🏻‍♀️

redcarbluecar · 14/12/2019 09:05

YANBU, and when the dust settles (and Labour have a new leader), I think more people will recognise that he’s a decent man who presented a genuine vision for change. I’ve never quite been able to envisage him as PM though- I think the 2017 election offered a bit of (false?) hope and this one has provided a mighty dose of reality, whether or not it’s the reality people want. I wish him well but Labour do need some honest reflection if they want to be electable in the future.

awaynboilyurheid · 14/12/2019 09:10

That was a really lovely letter from his sons, I have no doubt he is a kind clever man, however I did lose faith for a while when he didn’t choose a side for Brexit The right wing press had a field day with the anti Semitism angle, even though Miriam Margoyles who is Jewish defended him and said she did not beleive him to be anti Semitic, her voice was not heard I only saw it in one interview The party made terrible errors in not getting rid swiftly of any member who spouts evil. I don’t think Jeremy can be individually blamed for that.
There was very little critiscism of Boris, it was all isn’t he funny jolly good chap crap, let’s all laugh as he puts in even more” austerity measures” cripples the NHS and ruins the country.

tigger1001 · 14/12/2019 09:20

If he genuinely had integrity he would have stood down a long time ago when it was clear he had no chance in a general election.

There was a very real reason as to why he was reluctant to back the call for a general election - he knew that he would lose and lose badly. Yet his "principles" were more important than unifying the party.

This was an election labour lost rather than the conservatives won. Given the turmoil in uk politics for the last few years, a strong opposition would have had a landslide victory. Instead the opposition party was so ineffective it handed a large majority to the conservatives.

That can only be the fault of the leader. The longer he stays, the more damage he is doing to the party. Again throwing doubt over the "integrity" he apparently has.

Labour need a serious shake up to be a strong opposition party. And that needs to start now.

Milicentbystander72 · 14/12/2019 09:20

I'm sure JC is perfectly pleasant man - as a long term back bencher (which is what he's been virtually his whole political life).

I voted Tory on Thursday. My vote was up for grabs. I did waiver in the voting booth but couldn't bring myself to vote Labour.

I'm angry with him. With him, the Momentum cult, the majority of the membership, the incompetent front bench.....

Labour were warned so many times by their own MP's, the Labour grandees, the JLM, the press (yes even the Guardian).....even the voters (who didn't choose him in their hoards in 2017, or any of the local elections or the EU elections). Canvassers were told time and time again in the doorstep years ago that JC wasn't liked but they all ignored it.

Time and time again Labour mistook popularity within the (often very new) party membership and student/festival/protest rallies as an indication of popularity across the UK. The membership is not the electorate.

Even now on Twitter and on TV Owen Jones and Jon Lansdown and various Momentum types are saying things like
"We need to persuade the Electorate that our policies are good for them".
"We need go even harder and more Socialist with our Policies"
"It was only Brexit that lost it for us"

Labour are fundamentally closed to really listening to what people are saying. It's CORBYN and whole sorry Corbynism experiment.

STOP telling people they're thick, brainwashed, sheep, taken in by a bias media, racist, selfish.......or you will never get into power. If Boris stays for a whole term it will be 50 years....50.....since this country voted in a Labour Government that wasn't Tony Blair.

I'm so pissed off with Corbyn.